. >> the question here is kobach the most legally kasparov's votes? -- the most legal cast votes?hat i want to know is your position on the merits of paragraph 16 of contestants offer of proof. in that offer of proof, specifically c1013. you look at the first of a look in there and it appears that the that was not a proper absentee ballot. what i want to know is if we are supposed to decide who got the most legally cast votes and there is evidence that suggests illegally cast ballots were accepted -- we cannot tell who theyvoted for, but how can we tell who got the most legal cast votes? >> this is part of the problem and frustration with the appellate case. we have a balanced envelope. we have a copy. we know that that person voted. we do not know there was a different type of situation involved. we do not know what the texans are some sense as are other than a copy of the envelope. there is perhaps no fact that is more for the established by no witnesses than a phrase that was used by one of the first witnesses from the secretary of state's office which is every ballot tells a s