kasparov started slow.ed. >> carlsen: i sat there for a few seconds, and then i thought to myself, "you know what? i don't know why he's thinking. but i know what my response is going to be, anyway. so i'll just walk off and watch the other games." kasparov had never played anyone so young. but he did not exude confidence or happiness, and he did not win. magnus played him to a draw. it was a sensation. kasparov left quickly. no "nice game, kid", nothing. how did magnus react? guess. he thought he had blown it. >> carlsen: when i actually got to winning position, i... i had little time, i was nervous, and i couldn't finish him off. >> simon: why were you nervous? >> carlsen: i was playing kasparov. i was in... intimidated. >> simon: you were... you were intimidated by playing the world's champion when you were already 13 years old? >> carlsen: yeah. go figure. ( laughter ) >> simon: it warranted a celebration, of course, and magnus got to choose. >> carlsen: yes. i went to my family and had some ice cream a

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>> one of our early indications that things were really different was when gary kasparov, the chess championo deep blue designed to play chess. we used to think of chess as one of the highest expressions of human intelligence and then the match with deep blue showed us something different. more recently another ibm super computer called watson showed us that human beings were no longer the best "jeopardy" players. it beat ken jennings and brad rutter by more than three to one playing their game of "jeopardy." we keep seeing computers able to do more and more. >> the point as i understand it is that the first machine age was all about muscle power, that you were substitutes muscle power. used to be human muscle power or of animals powered stuff. you know, the steam engine or electricity replaced that. but now you're saying, the second machine age replaces brain power. >> that's right. the first machine age was all about relaxing the limits on human muscle power, animal muscle power, steam engine, internal combustion engine, allowed us to move the world, manipulate the world better than before