also gain some strength, death sometimes gives strength to others, so i would like khodorkovsky, kasparov, to have more strength in what they do, because kasparov, for example, is really a lot is doing to support ukraine in the war, and he, for example, has always been in opposition to putin, i hope that no one has any doubts here, but i also worry about, for example, in a human way kara murza, for example, who is now sitting in prisons, i know him, we are friends, this is also important, i know that it can be criticized, i understand that... someone in ukraine, when they hear this, says: more than 100 people die in our country every day, maybe more, i understand that, but i think that it is also worth considering those who are sitting in russian prisons, and that somehow they also have to contribute to victory, let him be greek , empires take a long time to build, but they fall quickly, sometimes the first domino that destroys the whole house can be pulled out by one person, we also hope for that, although... i see these reactions to navalny very sharp at times, but, for example, i under

in what they do, because kasparov, for example, really does a lot to support ukraine in the war, and he, for example, always was. opposition to putin, i hope that no one has any doubts here, but i am also concerned, for example, in a human way, about kara murza, for example, who is currently in prison, i know him, we are friends, this is also important , i know what it is can criticize, i understand that someone in ukraine, when they hear this, says that more than 100 people die in our country every day, maybe more, i understand that, but i think that it is also worth considering those who are in russian prisons, and that somehow they they must also contribute to victory, let... empires are built for a long time and they fall quickly, sometimes one person can pull out the first domino, which will later destroy the whole house. we also hope for this, although we do not count on it, because ukraine, to be honest, does not expect anything from the russian oppositionists, so probably we and evaluated navalny's activities only after his death. i see these reactions to navalny very sharp a

they’re already writing a letter to kasparov, with whom, connect, with that, connect with this, show of course, i just want to agree with this, there there were also different people that immigration. this is how it became expressed, i see, we laugh at him, he really is a weather vane, yes, he is a very stupid person, but due to his stupidity he reacts before others, his distance between sensations and the word is minimal, israel enraged him, so what? he was infuriated by israel, they themselves nurtured israeli policy in the form as it is, because... don’t we have a lot of people who say: no, yes, here we are now, we ’ll hang a garland now, this we, isn’t it a little, isn’t it too early to celebrate the victory, succumbing to to the general conviction of people who, by and large, do not have a serious connection to this victory, well, yes, they hung a garland, they are great, but in my opinion. thinks that our people have a very short memory, and no one remembers where they were on february 24, 2022, and where they were in may 2022, where they were in the very difficult autumn of 20

they are cretins, you know, that’s what now, well, they listen, as an intelligent person can listen kasparovhow is it possible, well, here they are, well, well, how can an intelligent person decide to appoint yolanda as the head of the russian opposition, well, that’s all. i said these kaykalos there and others, we don’t need these, let’s stop at something cool, but here’s some one from old europe, so i’m not saying that they, for example, i don’t agree with evgeniy, that they, they won’t pull two structures, no, the simple fact is that the nato air defense structure will remain, yes, about and nato air defense, which will be called european, the americans will lead, it will function. the americans are having fun passing this on to the europeans , they don’t like it all, by the way, this may be why turkey is in nato, turkey needs to leave nato, well, it’s karcep and erdogan, two operational commands, of course, this is the main one. it's not there, this building is not there, there are individual european countries that must gain their sovereignty, within which states must be drawn up that h

what was the exiled politician to make me come a sort of coffee and the chest champion, a garry kasparov. you're working to build an international, a position athletic, a person, and the ukraine will. but if person can seemingly kill people like natal, the within puna, see what can you realistically achieve as a, as an opposition we rely on no friends in the, in europe, in the western conference. russia is a democratic come to by constitution, but by the attitudes there is no single feature of democracy in kind of the dresser right now. and the would like to see our country as a bottles of the civilized family. that's why we just, yeah. also a asking just officer ideas and the body to go forces in the european countries to 3 dresser as a democratic company. but the point him as a dictator, that's the, the efforts that is, that is this the, what we were looking for the support of democratic forces. so we're looking for a support of the brain beach fighting for a day. so or any jammed through the integrity of for the independence and we fighting over the next steps we can for, for our free

you know what happened to khodorkovsky, you know what happened to kasparov, who is now in exile, youed to boris nemtsov. are you telling me to get real? iam real, i can assure you that i'm real. and i have my brother spending time injail, he's took away from his family and, as you mentioned, he's in solitary confinement. and they are really torturing him every time when i'm issuing new investigations, so i'm a guy from real life here in russia. i understand everything and i do believe that people's support can prevail against this strategy putin has against me. boris nemtsov, whom you knew very well, was walking down a street just a couple of hundred metres from the kremlin when he was murdered. that is the reality of moscow today. you're not immune from that. in this particular room, i had a meeting with him and volunteers who were preparing the big rally. after this meeting with the volunteers, we went on the street and i was arrested for 15 days and he was killed a week later. so i understand what's going on in russia and i understand there are a lot of risks and i understand the

your, what with the exiled a politician to make, make also the coffee and the chest champion garry kasparov. you're working to build an international position athletic, a person, and the ukraine will. but if person can seemingly kill people like natal, the within puna, see what can you realistically achieve as a, as an opposition we rely on no friends in the, in europe, in the western conference. russia is a democratic come to by constitution, but by the attitudes there is no single feature of democracy in kind of the dresser right now. and the would like to see our country as a bottles of the civilized family. that's why we just, yeah. also a asking just officer ideas and the body to go forces in the european countries to 3 dresser as a democratic country. but people jump as a dictator. that's the, the efforts that is, that is this the, what we were looking for the support of democratic forces to be looking for support of the brain beach fighting for a day. so rainy jan, territorial integrity for the independence and we fighting over to the expense we can for, for our freedom both which mr

. >> garry kasparov, thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> ahead in the cnn "newsroom," we will talk to patty davis, the daughter of ronald and nancy reagan detailing the book and time she spent with them and how she feels her father would feel about the republican party. there she is. we'll talk to her in a few minutes. >>> donald trump is once again taking credit for killing a bipartisan bill that would have significantly tightened security at the border in mexico, something republicans have been asking for. at a rally today. >> this week we also had another massive victory every conservative should celebrate. we crushed crooked joe biden's dice tremendous open borders bill. mike johnson did a very good job. we saved america from yet another horrific biden betrayal. >> patti davis is with us, author of a new book, "dear mom and dad," a memory of a family we once knew. thanks for being on with us this evening. it's an honor to have you on. i'm old enough to remember ronald reagan's presidency and how the repub

movement so it'll be to see whether other— movement so it'll be to see whether other leaders like garry kasparovith her, but they are all going for the same objective, — but they are all going for the same objective, and it is good to see her entering _ objective, and it is good to see her entering into the political scene. there _ entering into the political scene. there is— entering into the political scene. there is a — entering into the political scene. there is a very deep need now for something — there is a very deep need now for something like this.— something like this. some of the da 's something like this. some of the day's other— something like this. some of the day's other news _ something like this. some of the day's other news now. _ ajudge investigating the assassination of haiti's former president, zhovenel moeese, has brought charges against his wife. a court document says martine moise conspired with the former prime minister, claudejoseph, to kill the president nearly three years ago. she denies involvement. an online site run by a major criminal gang who organise ransomware c

interviewed, people like the businessman who was imprisoned but managed to get out of russia, gary kasparov—3 outcomes if you stand up to putin, if you have a high profile. you either get out of russia, you either are imprisoned in russia, you either are imprisoned in russia, or you end up dead. and that is a reality which all russians know, and that is precisely why there is no meaningful politically organised opposition to vladimir putin inside the country right now. stephen sackur, thanks so much for those thoughts. and there's a chance to see that full 2017 interview, you can see it tonight on gmt and again over the weekend. let's speak briefly tojohn side worth, we are waiting to hearfrom president biden. is it possible to know what to expect at this stage? in general terms, expect at this stage? in general terms. yes. _ expect at this stage? in general terms, yes, we've _ expect at this stage? in general terms, yes, we've already i expect at this stage? in general| terms, yes, we've already heard expect at this stage? in general i terms, yes, we've already heard from senior members of

garry kasparov has suggested just don't acknowledge him as the president of russia, that hits him where he lives. he wants legitimacy. he wants people to respect him. what is in the tool kit if not some of the -- if not something beyond, you know, what we know is problematic in congress, which is passing aid to ukraine. >> yeah, number one -- and i'm just going to draw a line under it -- the number one thing the united states could do to knock back vladimir putin would be to succeed in blunting his invasion of ukraine and the president should not miss a moment of making that point. number two, you could go after vladimir putin's personal wealth. you could do that using cyber tools, for example. number three, you mentioned it. you could go after the russian assets. i think it's well north of 300 billion. we'd need cooperation from the europeans, and number 4, very difficult in terms of economic impact and knock on effect would be to declare secondary sanctions, meaning you're not just sanctioning russians and putin, but you sanction people who deal with him, meaning you'd have to go afte

or are you end up in exile, like garry kasparov and -- .body to be in politics in russia, and that's how putin wants it. >> what should america's role be in this now, after navalny's death? i mean in 2016, congress passed the grow bill -- human rights accountability act exactly named after your friend and former lawyer sergei magnitsky, who died after he was tortured and a russian jail. it allows the u.s. president to oppose visa bans and sanctions individuals over human rights individuals. but, there are obviously limits to what it can do. and it is certainly not doing enough to change the calculation, excuse me, of a vladimir putin or his accomplices. what do you think needs to happen, to effectively address what is happening inside russia that america can do? >> well the main thing america can do right now is congress, the house of representatives, can approve the 63 billion dollar military aid package for ukraine. we are effectively at war with russia, not directly, but we should be supplying the ukrainians with whatever they need to fi

and these they haven’t gone through customs yet, that’s it, they’re already writing a letter to kasparovt still they were there too, the story develops there differently, but you know what’s most interesting and maybe, here i again agree with margarita, the worst thing is, because i’m watching in the west, this is, of course, possession, these are demons, but you know why it became expressed this way , i see , the worst thing for demons is when their own people stop listening to them, or those whom they considered their own, when strangers, well, of course, punish strangers , they destroy, they doom death , they tighten the noose, now their own, this already speaks of how deep the crisis is, in this sense, of course, the choice before, especially the europeans, is very difficult. who are you at this celebration of life, they all thought that they were at this table - the gathering was delicious to eat, but it turned out that they are game , and specifically everyone is sending them, well, concluding my speech, you know, i still have to say one very unpleasant, but important thing for me: