commissioner kasselman: i have to follow up on that. what about members of healthy san francisco that leave the city? >> if a medical reimbursement is established for an employee and that employee moves, it does not matter if they reside in san francisco or another county. that account is still eligible to be withdrawn by that employee. they can go online in any state or county they live in and pulled down the information and submit a form for reimbursement respective of the county they live in. commissioner kasselman: and the hillary ronen -- healthy san francisco portion of your program? >> that is only available for individuals who reside in san francisco. if they move outside of the county but are still working for that employer, what will happen is that any future deposits on behalf of that employee will be subject to a newly created -- will be put into a newly created mra once they have left the city as their city of residence, if they are still working for that employer. commissioner kasselman: the onus is on the resident to noti

commissioner kasselman: nothing additional is needed? >> no. commissioner kasselman: thinks. commissioner: i am in a business where if you do not have your signs up, you are fined. in just to reiterate what commissioner clyde had said, there is a lot of human trafficking here in san francisco, and i have seen this firsthand, and there are people being paid low wages below minimum wage, and it is an expensive place to live, so i will be supporting this legislation. >> thank you. president o'brien: commissioner collide? commissioner clyde: in the hearing, it was stated that one or two are paid below the minimum wage. i believe chinatown was cited as -- in one of the studies, that one out of every two restaurant workers are actually paid below the minimum wage, so i am wondering how note you are handling a statistic like that. it is almost incomprehensible to me that so much -- such a large area or such a large industry in ethnic neighborhoods, that that could be the case. could you elaborate on how you are handling that? >> it is for the most part, played based. unfortunately,

commissioner kasselman: if it is never claimed, does

commissioner kasselman: nothing additional is needed? >> no. commissioner kasselman: thinks. commissioner: i am in a business where if you do not have your signs up, you are fined. in just to reiterate what commissioner clyde had said, there is a lot of human trafficking here in san francisco, and i have seen this firsthand, and there are people being paid low wages below minimum wage, and it is an expensive place to live, so i will be supporting this legislation. >> thank you. president o'brien: commissioner collide? commissioner clyde: in the hearing, it was stated that one or two are paid below the minimum wage. i believe chinatown was cited as -- in one of the studies, that one out of every

president o'brien: commissioner kasselman? >> commissioner kasselman: the fees are outlined in the legislation, are those for small pharmacies who aren't posting the proper signage? >> the fines -- it's the fines for anyone. for anyone. president o'brien: commissioner adams? >> commissioner adams: i want to thank you also for putting forth this legislation. i know people who do use it down in san mateo and from personal experience where i do know some teenagers taking grandma's drugs after she's gone and that. and there was a bad consequence. so personally, i'm very happy that you're doing this. >> thank you. president o'brien: commissioner clyde? commissioner clyde: yes, was costco at the table? >> no, they were not. commissioner clyde: they have a large pharmacy as well. but thank you for crafting this legislation. it is fair and i actually participated in the drop your which is a little bit surreal, but it was an easy way to get rid of things. supervisor mirkarimi: i really would like to talk about the department of environ

what i would really like to do, commissioner kasselman has requested to ask a question. i'm going to let her do it. for the record, in the future, i would like to ask the commissioners to allow the presentations to finish before we interrupt them. everybody has questions that they would like to ask. i think it is better that we let them finish their presentation without interruption. i don't believe this is the most efficient way to do it but since i started it that way it is only fair to keep it that way. >> i can wait. >> i don't want to be labeled discriminating against my own commissioners here, especially not sexual discrimination, which is even worse. commissioner kasselman has withdrawn her request to speak. we will get back to the schedule here. mr. scott -- if he is here? welcome. >> i didn't know i was spodse to be -- is this just -- supposed to be -- is this normal? >> i'm sorry. there must have been a miscommunication between chris and i. i think we'll have you speak to -- and then as an insurance -- from the insurance industry at all in terms of how some of

president abbas ryan pope: commissioner -- president o'brien: commissioner kasselman? commissioner kasselman: -- supervisor mar: by can think of about five within a 1.5 mile radius, and i think the coalition that united against the pet food express on lombard and then on california near the presidio is similar, and they are very similar of the pet stores. >> it my point is that there are, i am sure, i imagine that the fed would not necessarily be in the richmond area, but it will trickle into neighboring areas, as well. shops on polk affected, but that would be an interesting study to do. president to brian: -- president o'brien: anyone else? we're talking about leveling the playing field, which kind of suggests their competition. is this an outright ban altogether on this particular company coming in in effect, is it just an outright ban altogether? >> i think this area is really struggling right now, especially this district, and there are plenty of other spots in other areas, may be other areas that might want a petco or another chain store, but for this area, it wi

commissioner kasselman: that was a good segue to my question. what happens to the remaining 45%? after seven years of inactivity, you said that account closes. what happens to this fund? >> those funds are deposited in to help the san francisco. the account is closed after 18 months. that employee goes back. we reinstate that account. the funds would come out of that help the san francisco department account. we would transfer them back into the mra. we maintain information on inactive accounts seven years from the date they were enacted. if that individual were to come back three years after the account was closed. we would be able to give the information about what was in the account at the time it was closed. the department of public health would authorize what could be used for those expenditures. >> how much money is redistributed back to help the san francisco -- healthy san francisco annually? >> we have not done it annually. we have only done it once. i think that figure is in the range of $3 million over the course of a 34-month period. vice president adams: this is for

president o'brien: council member kasselman? >> i just want to ask you the question i asked supervisor farrell to grandfather small businesses that came into san francisco in the next year or two who might come because it's attractive that this is a great opportunity for them not to pay tax on their offering but they're still seven years out from going public because in the start incubater phase. is there a way to look at the small businesses to say, you come in, and sign a release coming in 2013, you're ok. will you make an exception? >> that's the hook. the hook is the six years doesn't mean it can't be renewed and extended beyond that and successive government and board of supervisors and mayor can do that. so the six-year period but the gage is the fact it was a five-year average we look at as to why we fix that six years. chances are this is something we may do in perpetuity such as what supervisor farrell i think is intimate what he suggested. but if it's just on the pre-i.p.o. in that genre, that's easy to be extended. pr

commissioner kasselman? commissioner o'conner? commissioner riley? all commissioners are present. commissioners, item no. 2 will be continued until later in the meeting. enemy number 3, approval of the april 11, 2010 meeting minutes, explanatory dowmpts draft april 11, 2010 meeting minutes. president o'brien: do we have a motion to approve the minutes or do we need a minute to study it? >> i need a minute. president o'brien: o.k., we'll give one sec. is everybody o.k. with it? could we get a motion? >> i motion to approve the minutes of the april 11 meeting. >> second broon. president o'brien: any objections, seeing none, approved. secretary: item 4 will be continued until the next meeting. item 5, general public comment, allowing members of the public to comment generally on matters within the commission's purview and suggest new agenda items and there will be public comment taken after each item on the agenda. president o'brien: do we have comments from anybody on matters not on the agenda? seeing none, public comment closed. secretary: commissioners, item 6, discussion of possi

commissioner kasselman? commissioner o'conner? commissioner riley? all commissioners are present. commissioners, item no. 2 will be continued until later in the meeting. enemy number 3, approval of the april 11, 2010 meeting minutes, explanatory dowmpts draft april 11, 2010 meeting minutes. president o'brien: do we have a motion to approve the minutes or do we need a minute to study it? >> i need a minute. president o'brien: o.k., we'll give one sec. is everybody o.k. with it?

commissioner kasselman: i guess i just, to follow up on that, 7% of businesses are using the hra's. we have 4000 businesses resurveyed. -- we surveyed. who is using those? , many of those businesses would even know if they are not -- how many of those businesses would even know if they are not complying? if we are taking away so much money from businesses based on substantial statistical information, that is a hard thing to justify it. supervisor campos: the interesting thing about this tete-a-tete is that it is coming directly from the businesses. we have 80% of the businesses who are meeting their obligations under help the san francisco not doing it using these accounts. we are talking about only 13% of the businesses using the services we are talking about. >> let me try tore- summarize -- let me try to summarize. the details i gave earlier -- president o'brien: let me stop you. the 90% is not a problem at all, right? and the 3% and 7% -- does the problem manifest through both of those, or just one of them? >> i believe supervisor campos's legislation has not tended to have an i