. >> commissioner kasselman. commissioner kasselman: yes. >> commissioner o'brine: president o'brien: yes. >> commissioner riley. president riley: yes. >> that item passes. item number six, discussion and possible action to make recommendation to the board of supervisors. file number 101497. police code prohibiting the use of open top buses. amending section 46 to clarify that the definition in that section does not include open top tour buses. amending to clarify that noise restrictions do not apply to city agencies, adding a new section for the use of amplified sound on seeing buses in san francisco, except where sound is only audible to individual users. we have a presentation by a legislative aid to supervisor david chiu. >> good evening, i am here representing the office of supervisor david chiu, the sponsor of the legislation before you. supervisor chiu introduced this offensive coordinator nance several months ago in order to address noise concerns from open air tour buses with amplified sound. while we al

president o'brien: commissioner kasselman? commissioner kasselman: do you know the cost? >> they said per bus it's $12,000 to $15,000, so to buy a whole new bus with the system in place, it's like 80,000 to 100,000, but if you're just retro fitting an existing bus, it's around 1 to 15.

commissioner o'brien: commissioner kasselman? commissioner kasselman: i have a personal anecdote that is pertinent to this situation. about two weeks ago i had a friend walking in the mission district and attacked in a gang-related incident. a whole group of people that i know are now going to avoid the mission. i thank the mayor for addressing the situation. and having grown up in san francisco, it saddens me that now i know a bunch of people who won't go there. as a business owner, those businesses in that vicinity are going to lose, you know, 50 customers. if that happens elsewhere in the city, that could affect us one way or the other. i just wanted to sort of thank that from that perspective. >> thank you for that. i think that excellent reflects the mayor's thoughts on this as well that he's really interested in making sure that we have the services on the street that make san francisco our commercial districts inviting and welcoming and free of crime and with the services we need for homeless individuals, and all of those

commissioner kasselman: nothing additional is needed? >> no. commissioner kasselman: thinks. commissioner: i am in a business where if you do not have your signs up, you are fined. in just to reiterate what commissioner clyde had said, there is a lot of human trafficking here in san francisco, and i have seen this firsthand, and there are people being paid low wages below minimum wage, and it is an expensive place to live, so i will be supporting this legislation. >> thank you. president o'brien: commissioner collide? commissioner clyde: in the hearing, it was stated that one or two are paid below the minimum wage. i believe chinatown was cited as -- in one of the studies, that one out of every two restaurant workers are actually paid below the minimum wage, so i am wondering how note you are handling a statistic like that. it is almost incomprehensible to me that so much -- such a large area or such a large industry in ethnic neighborhoods, that that could be the case. could you elaborate on how you are handling that? >> it is for the most part, played based. unfortunately,

commissioner kasselman: i have to follow up on that. what about members of healthy san francisco that leave the city? >> if a medical reimbursement is established for an employee and that employee moves, it does not matter if they reside in san francisco or another county. that account is still eligible to be withdrawn by that employee. they can go online in any state or county they live in and pulled down the information and submit a form for reimbursement respective of the county they live in. commissioner kasselman: and the hillary ronen -- healthy san francisco portion of your program? >> that is only available for individuals who reside in san francisco. if they move outside of the county but are still working for that employer, what will happen is that any future deposits on behalf of that employee will be subject to a newly created -- will be put into a newly created mra once they have left the city as their city of residence, if they are still working for that employer. commissioner kasselman: the onus is on the resident to noti

commissioner kasselman: that was a good segue to my question. what happens to the remaining 45%? after seven years of inactivity, you said that account closes. what happens to this fund? >> those funds are deposited in to help the san francisco. the account is closed after 18 months. that employee goes back. we reinstate that account. the funds would come out of that help the san francisco department account. we would transfer them back into the mra. we maintain information on inactive accounts seven years from the date they were enacted. if that individual were to come back three years after the account was closed. we would be able to give the information about what was in the account at the time it was closed. the department of public health would authorize what could be used for those expenditures. >> how much money is redistributed back to help the san francisco -- healthy san francisco annually? >> we have not done it annually. we have only done it once. i think that figure is in the range of $3 million over the course of a 34-month period. vice president adams: this is for

kasselman? commissioner kasselman: do you know the cost? >> they said per bus it's $12,000 to $15,000, so to buy a whole new bus with the system in place, it's like 80,000 to 100,000, but if you're just retro fitting an existing bus, it's around 1 to 15. . >> the same would apply to the guy who goes across the bay bridge? this is a huge amount of money to spend? >> of applied to all. it would fit the definition. >> have you heard from the tour bus companies? what are they called? >> generally, i think that they are concerned, especially if it is a short time line that we are meeting with them to discuss what is reasonable. >> thank you. >> commissioners, any other questions? >> i have been to other countries and i have seen a lot of their tour bus in use is -- tour buses using headphones. it would save money for those companies that don't needo have an english toward -- tour for a japanese tour. >> i agree that the large obnoxious buses needed to be reined in. i am sensitive to the issue of it. this is raised with the very small cable cars

what i would really like to do, commissioner kasselman has requested to ask a question. i'm going to let her do it. for the record, in the future, i would like to ask the commissioners to allow the presentations to finish before we interrupt them. everybody has questions that they would like to ask. i think it is better that we let them finish their presentation without interruption. i don't believe this is the most efficient way to do it but since i started it that way it is only fair to keep it that way. >> i can wait. >> i don't want to be labeled discriminating against my own commissioners here, especially not sexual discrimination, which is even worse. commissioner kasselman has withdrawn her request to speak. we will get back to the schedule here. mr. scott -- if he is here? welcome. >> i didn't know i was spodse to be -- is this just -- supposed to be -- is this normal? >> i'm sorry. there must have been a miscommunication between chris and i. i think we'll have you speak to -- and then as an insurance -- from the insurance industry at all in terms of how some of

commissioner kasselman? commissioner o'conner? commissioner riley? all commissioners are present. commissioners, item no. 2 will be continued until later in the meeting. enemy number 3, approval of the april 11, 2010 meeting minutes, explanatory dowmpts draft april 11, 2010 meeting minutes. president o'brien: do we have a motion to approve the minutes or do we need a minute to study it? >> i need a minute. president o'brien: o.k., we'll give one sec. is everybody o.k. with it? could we get a motion? >> i motion to approve the minutes of the april 11 meeting. >> second broon. president o'brien: any objections, seeing none, approved. secretary: item 4 will be continued until the next meeting. item 5, general public comment, allowing members of the public to comment generally on matters within the commission's purview and suggest new agenda items and there will be public comment taken after each item on the agenda. president o'brien: do we have comments from anybody on matters not on the agenda? seeing none, public comment closed. secretary: commissioners, item 6, discussion of possi