and wrapping up the list is kate anderson brower's look at the life of modern first ladies in "first women." that's a look at some of the current nonfiction bestsellers according to "the new york times." many of these authors have or will be appearing on booktv. you can watch them on our web site, booktv.org. >> host: you mentioned that there was a bit of a kerfuffle when you were doing bress for this -- press for this book, but i'm going to quote from you here, and we're talking about president obama here, and this is you speaking. everybody refers to him as the first black president. i'm not saying it's wrong, i'm just saying that it's interesting. it would be great if it didn't matter and that people could call him this. >> guest: yes. >> host: so do you consider him to be the first black president? >> guest: i do, i do. but that's only because i'm playing by the rules that have already been set, hear what i'm saying? i always, i always tell my friends i bet you, you know, i would bet you that growing up there were black folks that did not accept him or black folks that said he ta