path, not that witchcraft isn't very traditional, if you look at it from a different perspective - kate cogan. she was also a theology student, and we went up to - the theological seminary up in chicago, and had an interview with her. and part of the interview, we said, "well, kate, why a witch? why did you do this?" and so, from the perspective of the class, let's think of kate as a human being not particularly satisfied with the set of answers in a more standard, ordinary religion, who has kind of a funny event that occurs that wakes her up and says there's a new vista. she's a seeker, and we want to talk about seekers as a leap-off into the experiential dimension, because those are the folks who we can really be sure they're experiencing. it's not that other people aren't, but those who are seeking are more likely to be asking boundary questions. so let's just listen to kate cogan here give a sense of why she became a witch. >> i was looking for a way to take that kind of spirituality but literally ground more. and one day i was in a library and a book literally fell on my head, and in thi