kate martin, stewart baker, let me bring the two of you into this conversation. first, stewart baker, what about this black budget? is this information that should be in the public realm? >> no, under no circumstances. even the-- you know, 95% of it was withheld by the "post" which was persuaded that it was too dangerous to release, and even the things they released tell the syrians and the iranians and al qaeda what we been them, and more importantly what, they have successfully hidden from us. that tells them what's working and what's not. it's going to set us back. >> woodruff: so you're saying it-- it's done damage, it will do damage? >> yes. i think the fact that it does damage without revealing any scandals -- i didn't see any scandals in the "post" coverage-- tells us something about snowden. he didn't release this as a whistleblower because of a scandal. he released it, as far as i can tell, to do as much damage to the u.s. intelligence community as he could do. >> woodruff: kate martin, how do you see this in terms of damage or not? >> well, i don't thin