kate o'malley, she's with kate ko strategies.e choice cap have is to stay and fight for the church or find another christian church if we stay, what realistically can we do to reform the catholic church so we see that the issue is addressed in our lifetime? >> that's similar to the last question in terms of how the laity can move forward. like i said before, using your voice, letting your bishops and cardinals and provincials no how you feel and come forward with concrete suggestions like bob has about testing on a seat at the table. you have congregations like congregation for bishop or clergy in the holy sea. if they had lay advisory boards, councils, who could listen to their issues and provide a perspective from the laity that would be at least a small step towards fundamental structural changes. >> did you see that if i remember correctly some of the wealthiest contributors to the church was holding -- >> i have seen some checks with nothing in it. >> that is attending a forum where this kind of discussion can be talked abou