. >> yeah, fred smith very well respected ceo, kate. that was interesting in and of itself. herbalife, even comments from dan loeb regarding herbalife and bill ackman a bit. >> we did. he talked in some detail, actually. andrew asked him, was it personal? was he going long herbalife, because he was trying to cause pain to bill ackman, who is reported to be sort of a frenemy, if not an out-right enemy, he said, look, nothing personal. he did some due diligence. he took time from a winter holiday and came from mexico to meet with company management last winter. he is bullish. he doesn't think it's a pyramid scheme. he had a price target of 55 to $70. and he said usually they go out a year, but in this case, the stock made good money, so they got out of it in the february, march area. you reported that at the time. so you remember that. >> i do. >> but he basically said, look, no pump-and-dump here. this was a good, old-fashioned investment idea. >> he addressed comments by george clooney, as well. people are waiting to hear, if anything, he would say about that. remember, it w