because jack spade is under kate spade llc? that makes it one? >> no. what i think it's a far more simple face value which is as we and many of the public speakers noted. the public recognizes that kate spade and jack spade are one. >> okay. >> that there is the common feature of spade. and these printouts that i was showing you that they are both trademarks. >> they each have, jack spade has it's own service mark and kate spade has it's own service mark. >> if you want to look at the ownership. may i now move this. they are all owned jack spade trademark owned by kate spade llc. there is no intervening entity. >> that's what i needed. >> so those are, if you can find, let me just stutter for one moment, there is also the spade mark owned by kate spade. >> okay. thank you. >> may i, can i also make a few more comments. >> yeah because i interrupted you. i'm sorry a little expression of frustration. >> i appreciate that. the one thing i will say, regarding -- i wanted to clarify this my good friend phil lesser i did -- i thought clearly the opposite. he a

everyone that works in a jack spade store is a kate spade llc employee. you can call it kate spade outlet, saturday, new york. jack spade. it doesn't matter what you call it. all three of the first features of the planning code are shared by all 94 stores. one standard array of apparel. spade is on every garment. one distribution center, no. 2, substantially similar trademark and no. 3 substantially similar service mark. >> to just drive that home, if we can have the overhead for a moment. the zoning administrator commented that we were looking for the two items of trademark and array standardized array. as you would see section 703.3 b requires only two elements. among those two separate independent freestanding elements are service mark and trademark. finding a common service mark and trademark alone you will get to formula retail. if you find that kate spade and jack spade shared a mark, you can combine and count kate spade stores together with jack spade storts. -- stores. we have here kate spade service mark as you can see. which is by the way, if you

with clear and unmistakable illustrations that jack spade is simply a trademark that belongs to kate spade llc and is not a separate entity. we would like to detail examples of how jack and kate are a financial structure, we are talk k about one business, one headquarters, one distribution center, one team of employees that fall under the same h.r. department. we hope to share with you the results of the research we've done under kate spade's deprive tactics to open a 95th store in the valencia corridor, we wouldn't be here tonight seeking late jurisdiction if the city had caught this in september, please allow us to show you that a spade is a spade and that a chain with 94 u.s. stores does not belong in an area protected by the zoning code. thank you for your attention. >> excuse me? >> yes. >> can you explain why you feel your organization should have been on that list again. you indicated you thought it was outdated, but why should your organization have been on that list? >> so, the organization should have been on the list because i believe that there should be some effort from the planni