>> commissioner, kate stacey in the city attorney's office. typically, there's a requirement to exhaust your administrative remedies, which means the individual who needs to sue needs to have appeared before the governmental body and expressed the argument. there are certainly other legal vehicles where that may not be a requirement. i can't give you an exhaustive answer, but typically, when an individual or organization sues the city through this administrative writ of mandate process, there is a requirement that they have made their argument to the city before taking the city to court. this is a somewhat unusual situation because it's two different departments with different kinds of authority or three different departments with different kinds of authority over the same permit. >> commissioner richards: thank you. >> president hillis: commissioner melgar? >> vice president melgar: thank you very much for explaining the process to us. i've got to say that i feel really strongly about this, and i don't see a subtlety in this in terms of the p