it's something that we've struggled with, and i might ask for some advice from city attorney kate stacey to assist here on your question, commissioner. [please stand by] >> let me pull up the urban design guidelines and come up with something while the other commissioners discuss. i will help develop something that will meet the commission's intent based on the conversation from earlier. >> thank you. >> commissioner moore? >> as you are in the middle of trying to craft the language, i would just and by to see that what into a conditional approval >> okay. >> i had a similar comment to commissioner moore more and i was just wondering if -- is sounded like miss stacy said we can still require that they meet the guidelines. i wonder if it's too much to be more prescriptive in stating the type of windows, although i thought the department did already suggests the type of windows that could be used. i thought that would be somewhat subjective. and it needs to be the wood or aluminum. maybe i am confused as to how that is not objective guidelines >> mr. more, do we have anything else? -- comm