katelin: that is such a good question.ground in building high-growth companies for the last 15 or 20 years has helped me to better understand despite not being a rocket scientist myself what it takes to build into the future and look to the stars and see a future for humanity that most of us cannot. understanding what it takes to be a great founder, whether you are building a chocolate bar or a reusable rocket. there are pretty standard things that make founder fantastic. caroline: what makes the business opportunity or the valuation fantastic? you are taking such bigger scale risk in a way over whether or not one can mine in space rather than build a chocolate bar here on earth. katelin: right. that is something about the economy and the times we are living in today. even five years ago i thought this was far too inspected of for early-stage firms to be investing in these companies at the earliest stages. with spacex and blue origin who have been charting the path from the private sector so publicly, it has allowed us to