the questions and katelyn dickerson join us this morning. us. this is a widespread policy decision. how many people were involved in these decisions? >> so the decision itself probably had to do with two dozen people at the top of the bureaucracy and among the top political appointees at the trump administration. it took far, far, far more people to carry it out and that question was really one that i set out to answer initially because i think family separation which culminated into the zero tolerance policy under president trump got so much atense and people assumed that it's an idea that stephen miller came up with in the white house with the president but i knew that a lot more people needed to be involved to carry it through. i wanted to figure out how did the administration put the policy in place? >> how was it that it was able to maintain the policy for a long period of time? it seems like something so uniquely different of targeting people, the destruction of families as an incentive not to cross the border. seems as though it was a