now, let's go to katelyn owens, a reporter for axios. the main question is, it's our understanding that the chief of staff, john kelly, knew about this going back as far as november. we don't know what he did with that information. is that right? >> shep, it's really unclear as we've been discussing over the past couple minutes. we don't know who knew exactly what when. we know the allegations of abuse that were discussed at the fbi during rob porter's security clearance investigations, but we don't know -- our reporting is showing that rob porter, there was discussion in the white house but rob porter characterized this as a spear campaign against him. we don't know what kind of definitive information was shared and what kind of communication between the fbi and top officials at the white house. we're waiting to learn more about that. so this open question of, you know, where on the scale did this white house's information come from between knowing exactly what was going on at the fbi at that level or just kind of the rumor mill level.