kateryna rashevska, lawyer of the regional center for human rights. he will tell us now. mrs. na. congratulations. thank you for joining us. tell us what is happening with our children there, are the occupiers really preparing these new lists for the deportation of young ukrainians to the territory of the russian federation? i want to emphasize that in fact the deportation never stopped, that is, the russians actually, even from the moment before the start of the full-scale invasion in 2015, deported ukrainian children, first from crimea, then from occupied donbas. and now they are transported from the newly occupied territories, from kherson region, zaporozhye region. initially, these were during the summer period, mostly temporary tours, so-called re-education tours, to various camps, our organization documented more than 9,500 such removals, both on the territory of the russian federation and on the territory of, for example, the republic of belarus. unfortunately, the russian federation refuses to provide access to any processes of movement of ukrainian children, as well as

kateryna rashevska says: russia does not hide that it has specific programs for the patriotic re-education of ukrainian children. this is, for example, a program such as map 85.4 specially developed by the ministry of education of the russian federation for ukrainian children from the newly occupied territories. that is, there is no improvement there. there is simply a ten-day program of skating on the territory of russia federation, where ukrainian children are told an alternative version of the history of the russian federation, where ukraine is little russia. human rights activists are sure that what is happening now with ukrainian children proves that international protective norms do not work. despite the fact that there are a huge number of very well and clearly written documents in the world , such as international humanitarian law, such as various conventions, which clearly state what and who should do in which cases, but if that country appears , that member of the world community who does not want to live by rules, such as the russian federation today. the whole world global syst