i did meet with katey chisolm for the pronject. a ducked bank has been installed in the set back in the curb. i have two recommendations. at a minimum, they can plant 36-inch box sized replacement trees as they were planning to do on vanness. i believe the duck bank and the joint trench is likely six to 8 feet below grade. you could wedge 48 box size trees in the top of that space. it could be a problem down the road, but it's likely to be able to be installed, a 48-inch box, putting that slightly above the joint trench. another requirement would be to remove them the joint trench, and in that case, i think 60-inch joint box trees would be possible. that's concerning replacement trees on vanness. we're still trying to hammer down the exact number of replacement trees possible on vanness. we are sort of discussing how much clearance we need from streetlights. we need 21 feet for this pe species, london sycamore trees, so we're looking at that. >> clerk: thank you. >> commissioner honda: i've got a couple of questions. what's the dif