and tony and franz a visiting kath and kim. is a retired lawyer. yet how old were you when the wall fell to the math i was born in 47. so early forties projects and i was 36 when i started studying. for the wall fell yes and in 1900 i ended my studies which were under the east german system. a lot it was as if my entire world had collapsed. so then what oh i see you've been studying a completely different legal system and wow that's crazy how infuriating so you had just finished your studies and the wall fell so it had all been a waste of time a total waste of time every weekend a colleague and i went to home go to university in berlin to attend and listen ours on west german law those were hard times the amounts of hot everything it must have felt very unfair your wrong what do you think now i mean as a lawyer when you look back on what happened then. you know it was unfair a new system was basically imposed on us we had to relearn everything and not everybody was able to adjust. for anything it must have been really tough being in your mid forty'

. —— kath.that was the really big occasion, the first anniversary of the attacks, singing in central manchester. very, very emotional, and it was incredibly emotional and amazing. you have robin on your teacher. that is your middle name. let us explain that. —— on your t—shirt. what has the experience been like for you? very what has the experience been like for you ? very positive. what has the experience been like for you? very positive. it has made me open my eyes to see the world isn't cruel, it is very nice and fulfilled with people just bring ivy. fulfilled with people just bring joy. because on that night, you have a lwa ys joy. because on that night, you have always loved music and playing music and listening to music. how did that affect your love of music, that night? i stopped playing. i play guitarand icing. i plucked —— stopped playing for a year or so, not long. my mum came into my room and she was like, you want tojoin my choir? and i was like, yeah, i will give it a shot. then i