and i appealed all the way to katharine graham, who saw me at her home in georgetown and very sympathetically talked with me for three-quarters of an hour and finally shook her head sadly and said, 'well, johnny, i'm afraid that we've hurt ben gilbert as much as we're gonna hurt him. i'm--i guess it's goodbye.' c-span: how long did you work for the washington post? >> guest: fourteen months c-span: what'd you do--where'd you go right after that? >> guest: well, i went back to new york and got a job with my alma mater, time-life, but as a--as a book editor. i was assigned to do a book on adolph--a picture biography of adolph hitler, which never--was never published because i was offered a job at the new york times. c-span: who took this picture? >> guest: gene smith took that picture in haiti. it's a madman at a--at a real snake pit on the outskirts of port-au-prince, which i had coincidentally seen as a tourist. in 1953 i had gone there with my wife and met a number of interesting haitians and one offered to take me to this insane a--insane asylum. this man was trying to dramatize--call the--