live with katherine jackson in encino. in the will michael jackson made it clear he wants katherine jackson alone. there are many allegations that michael jackson made about being physically and mentally abused. debbie rowe said to a local reporter in los angeles she wanted to go for custody and seek a restraining order against joe jackson to keep him away from her children. joe jackson saying he wants to be involved is not a good thing for katherine jackson. >> we heard randy kay spoke with a friend of debbie rowe's who says she is not going to roll over. what are her chances. >> there is a presumption for the biological parent? >> even though they have had no relationship? >> she has tried to give away custody, give up her parental rights. yes. there is still a presumption. however, the judge is going to look at a lot of things. don't forget she only has rights with respect to two children. there are three children. you don't want to split up the family. you want to look at what is in their best interest. they have a rel

>> their grandmother, katherine and i.es. >> in an exclusive interview with nbc's chris connelly, jackson's father joe said the children should live with him and his wife. >> there's no one else who can do what we can do for them. keep them all together, make them happy. and feed them like they're supposed to be fed. and let them get rest and grow up to be strong jacksons. >> michael jackson was clear in his 2002 will he wanted custody of his children to go to his now 79-year-old mother katherine and that is where they have been since his death. here in the encino, california, home, a compound of where a variety of siblings and grandchildren already reside. >> the kids love katherine. they really love their grandmother. and, you know, when i had heard that michael had her as the person to take care of the kids in the will, it was a natural choice. they love her. >> rowe gave up custody of the children to jackson years ago, but under california law as the only living parent, she has the right to claim custody now. >> debbie

jackson's children are with his mother, katherine.amed in the will as guardian, she's been granted temporary court-appointed guardianship of his three children, while the eldest is excluded in that will and thought to be out of the picture. when the hearing does happen, monday july 20th, will rowe be there? and what about a system that normally places a premium on a biological parent when it comes to custody? how would that figure in in this case? we are digging deeper on that. digging into the on-gage investigation into michael's death. jim moret is chief correspondent with "inside edition." he is also an attorney. great to have you back with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> the custody hearing pushed back at the request of katherine jackson and debbie rowe. what do you think is happening behind the scenes? could they be working something out? >> it indicates the two sides are talking. one of the attorneys for katherine jackson said as much. that is a good thing. because i think best interest of the children would be served if this

grandmother katherine named legal guardian of the three kids, ages 12, 11, 7. back up guardian, not sister janet, la toya, ribi, not jermaine, tito, jackie, not marlon, not randy. jackson names former supreme, diana ross. as we go to air, legal executors of jackson's will race to the courthouse to reverse mother katherine jackson's temporary control of jackson's billion dollar empire. reports of an alleged bio mom has resurfaced. in her attempt to seize custody of jackson's multimillion dollar estate and the children. who is she? tonight -- questions mount as police continue investigating jackson's home and those surrounding him at the time of death. the investigation now labeled multipronged. did jackson try to obtain a powerful sedative used during surgery just before his death? and tonight, there will be no public viewing at neverland. music icon, michael jackson, dead at 50. the fate of his three children unknown. >>> michael jackson's will is now on file with a los angeles court. ♪ i'm bad >> striking new voice in michael jackson's death with a shocking st

katherine spanked michael more than i did. i was working two jobs and she was at home with him the most. >> that was father joe jackson on abc's prime time. actually blaming 79-year-old katherine jackson for all the beatings that michael jackson suffered as a youth. beatings that he went public about. and painfully revealing to the oprah on the "oprah winfrey show." we are taking your calls live to lucy in new york. >> caller: hi, nancy. my question is, michael jackson and other family members have always spoken of extreme abuse by the father. their mother never removed the children from this abuse. shouldn't that be a factor in this custody hearing? >> in my mind, absolutely yes. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, family attorney, child advocate out of new york. renee rockwell, out of atlanta, and alan ripka, out of new york as well. susan moss, weigh in. oh, say it ain't so, joe. i can't believe he is throwing his wife under the bus. do you know what that will mean? more power to debbie rowe to try to get these kids. and

don't forget, they're now with katherine. they're with their niece -- their cousins, the aunts and the uncles. they're with the family they know as their family. they don't know debbie rowe as their mother. they know her as miss debbie. i suspect the older kids are old enough to go on the internet and look it up. >> larry: why are we fascinated with this? the man is gone. >> it's an interesting case. we pointed out, the fact she is the biological mother holds weight in california. these kids have nothing to do with her. she basically gave these kids to michael jackson. she gave her children away and got money for it. >> larry: what did she get, do we know? >> basically, it was a settlement over years. >> larry: jim and carlos will be back later. one of debbie rowe's friends is with us. hear what we has to say about the mother of michael jackson's children, next. i never thought i would have a heart attack, but i did. you need to talk to your doctor about aspirin. you need to be your own advocate. be sure to talk to your docto

obviously it's michael's wishes, he says i want my kids with katherine, my mom and if katherine cannot raise the kids, then diana ross. >> larry: do you expect a spirited custody hearing if nothing is arranged? >> yes. short answer's yes. >> larry: who's the judge? >> i'm not familiar with the judge in this case. any judge is going to look at the following. what's in the best interest of the children? >> larry: that's what he's there for or she? >> yes, and you're going to talk to the children because they're 11, 12, and 7. they're old enough to have an opinion. you're going to listen to them, you're going to look at debbie rowe as a mother, you're going to look at katherine, as well, because michael jackson specifically said in his will, that's who i want to raise them. larry, you're a parent, it's a tough thing to decide what's best for that kid. >> the hearing is monday and her attorneys said she will be at that hearing on monday. they're coming to play. >> larry: will the children be asked? >> i don't think they'll be at the hearing. but they will be interviewed in some capacity, i

what about a guardian after katherine passes?i think he's going to be lumped in, unless somebody objects to the same custody arraignment for him, he's going to be part of this family period. whoever takes over the other two are going to take this child. they're a family, they're a unit, and that's what they need to be. >> to tonight's safety tip. with millions of students set to return to college campuses this fall, here are tips to protect yourself. when leaving your dorm or apartment, make sure your doors and windows a s ars are locked. travel with another person, especially after dark, and walk in well-lit areas. carry pepper spray or personal alarm on your key chain. check under your car before getting inside. be aware of your surroundings and anything that appears suspicion. if in danger, get to the nearest building or residence and yell for help. >>> he's not breathing, sir. >> okay, and he's not conscious either? >> he's not conscious, sir. >> leave him alone. stop the crazy names that they call him. because what more do y

blame it on katherine. i'm in for nancy grace. mayor developments in the michael jackson case tonight. 11th hour custody deal in anticipation of the big custody/estate hearing coming up on monday. melanie bromley, "us weekly," what do you know about this custody deal just reached between debbie rowe and katherine jackson? >> katherine has custody now. they've been discussing this for weeks. she's got it. debbie will be allowed visitation, but there will be a child psychologist to help the kids and debbie to be able to integrate together properly. >> bethany marshal, this psychologist chosen by katherine and debbie rowe is going to determine how, when, where the appropriateness of where the visitation of debbie rowe, who, according to reports, the kids don't know that debbie rowe -- the two oldest kids don't know debbie rowe is their mom. >> this psychologist has her hands full. what i would start with if i was treating this family, what have the children been told about debbie rowe? did michael jackson engage in parental alienatio

. >> attorney for katherine jackson. appearing on the cbs "early show." we have our experts standing by. we'll take your calls as well. carlos, everybody's laying it out there. no money, huh, carlos? no money for debbie rowe. >> very interesting about that. i thought that the agreement between debbie rowe and michael jackson ended after five years. and now they're saying that no money is exchanging hands except for what she already gets for michael jackson. present tebs. so she's still getting money from michael jackson in some way, which i find to be very interesting. we don't know what amount that money is right now. >> wasn't the original deal $8.5 million? >> well, it was -- you hear these different amounts. but it was a set time of five years. so that time, you know, should have elapsed by now. and i guess there was another deal that was made in the interim. and she's still getting money from michael jackson. >> let's bring in our attorney, alexis ne, ly. you hear this, listen to the wording, is there any way you th

we know katherine jackson has talked about it. ann, maybe you can clarify this for us, that she wants to be a third co-executor, along with john branca and john mclean. does she have a case? >> there's a no-contest clause in the will. if she challenges the will, that's what she's doing by making this potential case, she could be out of anything in the will. so she's got to be really careful about that. the fact is, she wants to know more information. it's something that could be worked out. what i was saying on the kids is, have people down the line potentially, because we've got, you know, a mother that's 79. but she's a guardian of the kids. she is not the executor of the will. she's not there for the business affairs of michael jackson. those two things are very separate. >> so is wanting to be a third executor, is that in a sense contesting? >> it is. it potentially is. she's got to be very, very careful. she does deserve to know certain things, but the fact is, he decided who he wanted to be the executor of his will. and it w

we now know katherine was named in the will.o did she really think he didn't have a will or was just this an attempt to control the estate, even against her own son's wishes. >> you get the last word, gloria. >> and lou, she is -- she did go there, apparently thinking there was no will. so therefore, she was appointed special administer, which did expire today, and now that there is a will that has been lodged with the court, now that the will indicates michael jackson's preferences for the executor of the estate, the administrator of the estate, those preferences will rule unless and until another will is lodged with the court. we don't know if there's going to be another will. there's 30 days to lodge the will. if not, i think these are going to be, that is, the attorney and the music person that he named, those are going to be the ones who are going to be -- >> obviously, more to come. we're out of time. wendy murphy, thank you so much, gloria allred, thank you very much. appreciate you both being here. >>> up next, more on t

katherine spanked them more than i did. bring it all on me. >> michael, my cousin, happened to be one of the children who didn't believe that a child should be struck with a belt or anything like that. but they wasn't abused. >> what is he talking about? michael jackson has repeatedly revealed, obviously very painfully, his abusive childhood. take a listen. >> there's a lot of sadness about my past life and, you know, adolescence, and my father and all of those things. it just made me very, very, very sad. >> so he would tease you, make fun of you? >> yes. >> would he -- did he ever beat you? >> yes. >> he did? >> yes. >> and that was difficult to take, getting -- >> yes. >> -- beaten and going on stage and performing? >> yes. >> and why would he beat you? >> because he -- he saw me -- he wanted me to -- i guess maybe -- i don't know if i was his golden child or whatever it was. >> that's jackson's interview with oprah winfrey back in '93 from harpo productions. obviously, lauren howard, the pain, it was still right there a

i think the fact that the kids are with katherine who i have -- my experience with katherine is she wasnd his biggest supporter and the kids adored her and if grace is back in the picture as the long-time caregiver, i think that's great. it couldn't be a better place for the wizard. >> larry: is katherine with joe? >> no. >> larry: they're separated or? >> they have a dysfunctional marriage as many people in america do. >> larry: they live separately. >> most of the time. >> an oxymoron. >> they live -- sometimes they live in the same house. but they're not really a couple. >> larry: okay. >> in the sense. he lives in vegas most of the time. >> larry: the day before the will surfaced, attorneys for katherine and joe jackson filed documents saying the family believed michael died without a will. does that suggest they may challenge this? >> not necessarily. i think generally when people go to make a will, they don't advertise it and they don't tell people about it. i know, i've had plenty of clients who have gone to do wills and their wives didn't know about the wills. it certainly doesn

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katherine gets full custody, and debbie gets visitation but no money.going to go to the courts with closure that katherine gets custody, debbie rowe has some visitation? >> we'll go to the courts and be united and this is not about money. >> reporter: how is katherine doing? >> mrs. jackson is doing fine. she is still grieving, but she's a strong woman and trying to stay as strong as she can for her grandchildren, all of them, especially michael's children who are going through a major ordeal right now. >> are michael's kids aware of what's going on around them? >> they certainly are aware that it's a big deal in that their daddy has passed. they read the news on the web and in the reports. i really tried to push the media to be responsible in how they try to handle this matter because there are three precious children involved. >> reporter: after weeks of nonstop rumors we may soon know the answer to what killed michael jackson. the coroner's autopsy report is due out next week. you requested an autopsy. do you have those results yet? >> the family has

katherine has temporary guardianship of all kids now.all or some part of the custody of her kids? or do you feel she should get out of the picture? tell us your views. e-mail address, cnn.com/hln or text views and your comment and name to hlntv. standard text rates apply. >>> l.a.'s mayor says the city will pay for services related to the jackson memorial. police, traffic, and other services cost an estimated $1.4 million. the city council is set to review those costs today. the mayor said asking for donations is ridiculous. what happens to the $35,000 raised? no word on when it will be returned to donors. >>> a pennsylvania swim club accused of racism may soon be facing a lawsuit. an attorney says he expects to file the suit within a week. he also wants the entire club board to resign. the day camp said it was kicked out because the kids are mostly minorities. the club says the pool was overcrowded that day and they've invited the camp back. they say no way, it won't return. you see political billboards all the time. this one is making

a woman named katherine harr harris -- >> you have some boos over here. >> katherine harris was a hero of this party. i ran her senate campaign. by the end of that campaign she was viewed as a flake and went down to roaring defeat. >>> new video surfaces showing michael jackson at dress rehearsal. does it contain any clues about his mysterious death? plus, the vocal coach for jackson's tour joins us. did he notice anything unusual? >>> and the largest offensive in afghanistan since the u.s. invasion eight years ago. 4,000 marines on a mission against the taliban. their doctors about cialis. ask your doctor if a cialis option is right for you because in addition to 36-hour cialis, there's another dosing option: cialis for daily use, a low-dose tablet you take every day so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. man: tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. don't drink alcohol in excess with cialis.

. >> whether katherine will get that opportunity may begin to be determined at a hearing on monday.ne family law expert says that michael jackson's will is not the last word on who will eventually get custody. >> legally it's not a finding pronouncement by michael jackson. you cannot like you could with a piece of property or a car or a boat or a piece of jewelry, you can't give your kids away. you can't bind the court. in part that's because of course kids are wholly different in nature. they're not property. you have always got to look out for the best interests of the children when you're the court. >> to that end, one of the keys may be katherine jackson's physical vitality. >> the lawyer for katherine is going to come into court and is going to do her very best to tell the court why katherine is the person best suited to care for these kids. what her relationship has been, what her knowledge of the kids is, what her skills to be a parent are, that she has the energy, capability and the stamina to keep up with three kids who are 12, 11 and 5. >> as for joe, with his sons and the

grandmother, katherine, named legal guardian. backup, not sister la toy yeah, janet, not brothers -- jackson named former supreme diana ross guardian of the three children. bombshell tonight -- it's war! a courtroom standoff just hours ago as executors take on grandmother katherine jackson going toe to toe over controlling jackson's half a billion-dollar empire. and katherine jackson telling the court the executors will run jackson's estate into the ground. as we go to air, bio mom debbie rowe announces she will not attend jackson's memorial. why? rowe then attacks the cameraman. outside a chinese restaurant, cursing, threatening, not a good look, mommy. rowe reportedly now throwing her hat in the ring -- even claiming dna will prove she's the bio mom and thus entitled to yet another payday. tonight, a second will surfaces as police continue investigating jackson's home and the people surrounding him at the time of death. a.p. reporting the surgical anesthetic dip ra diprivan found in the home. jackson reportedly traveling with a

the question is, can katherine jackson reach a deal before it goes to the judge. matt, that seems like a pretty good place to leave it for. you. >> it really is, jeff. thank you. with us exclusively with the attorney for katherine jackson, londell mcmillan, who's also represented stars like prince, stevie wonder and others. that's the question right now, do you have a deal in place between katherine jackson and debbie rowe prior to this august 3rd custody hearing? >> well, good morning, matt. i want to adjust your language about a deal. we have been working on an agreement and i want to say that the parties have been very responsible, debbie rowe, her lawyers, mrs. jackson. they've been very thoughtful, very caring and very prudent. and we do believe that we're close to reaching an agreement and the swirling speculation is just swirling speculation. >> is it a financial agreement, londell? >> the agreement is a custody agreement. this -- whatever the agreement will be will not be based on money. that was not the -- >> but will it involve money? >> the agreement ab

of liberty with katherine jackson. i think they were getting out of the roles royce sedans. >> katherine jackson has custody of the three children, but that could change down the road depending on what debbie rowe decides to do or to push for visitation, but this is the scene inside the staples center where the -- in loving memory, you see that, michael jackson, the king of pop, 1958-2009. >> they are just opening the doors. >> reporter: people are very quiet. they are doing a sound check. i want to tell the viewers, if you hear something loud and out of the way, they are doing a sound and lighting check. just to talk about all the things you were talking about earlier, anderson, as you know, i had a long conversation about john bronca, i was the only reporter to talk to john bronca, he is an executor of michael jackson's assets and will. he managed michael jackson's career at the height of his success. many believe that the only reason michael jackson had anything to leave to his mom and to his children and charity is

but will grandmother katherine and jackson's three children see any of this money? >>> michael jackson's life at the end was being controlled and manipulated. >> we have a personal doctor here us with, sir. >> you have a doctor there? >> new details today on what detectives seized from the office of michael jackson's doctor who was the target of a manslaughter investigation. >> a second search warrant was also served, not at the clinic but at a private storage unit belonging to dr. conrad murray. both warrants say they're seeking information and evidence of the offense of manslaughter. >> tonight we know exactly what they found. >> a rolodex card with fedex information, which could mean they are trying to track if drugs were fedexed out of state, possibly. what drugs and who they may have been sent to. also, they took personal e-mails and some drugs including one vial of phentermine, a weight loss drug, and one vial of an anxiety drug. >> he just wanted to sleep. he wanted to have eight hours sleep. >> at dr. murray's storage unit, the search warrant says detectives

and again, katherine jackson is almost 80 years old. it would be a great thing to get some of the extended family in. maybe that's part of what she is discussions with debbie rowe have been about, as well. >> we'll ask vickie how does the court sift through all that. will the younger relatives like agenda and rebbie have a say in all this? we'll talk toxicology, as well. we'll take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. >>> welcome back to "prime news" on hln, keeping you posted on the fallout after the arrest of professor henry louis gates. you'll hear the 911 call made a neighbor, what she told police, and race was mentioned but now how you think. president obama inviting both professor gates, sergeant crowley together for a beer at the white house. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. back to michael jackson, custody is an issue. really, a lot of different facets we're talking about here. also a toxicology report that could come downy day. like to take your calls. sean tell in texas, your thoughts here? >> caller: yes, i just feel that will debbie r

she agreed to not challenge katherine jackson for custody.s deal will be presented in court for approval next week. it's not really official until then. under the terms of the parties' agreement, katherine jackson will be the guardian for the minor children. debbie rowe will have visitation rights with the two oldest children. also, both sides say no money or compensation was part of this deal. >>> a federal law enforcement official tells cnn michael jackson's cardiologist is the only person police are investigating in his mysterious death. dr. conrad murray is consistently denied he prescribed or administered anything that could have killed jackson, and his lawyer says he doesn't think an arrest is imminent. >>> president obama said the arrest of an african-american professor by a white police officer provided a teachable moment. a boston cop said something else about it, and now he may likely lose his job. officer justin barrett sent out a mass e-mail in which he used a racial slur to describe professor henry gates. he sent this e-mail to s

katherine.plaque there that he had made for his mother, because he named the train after his mother, "the katherine." >> so the train was actually called katherine. >> yeah. >> a lot of people would come up here just to hang out because, of course, there was, as there around the entire compound -- >> before you reached the train, you would stop here and have your cap sheen know if you want, ice cream, candy, candy apples, all the candy you could think of before you ride a train over to the theater. >> reporter: and people would hang out and sit here and watch these monitors. michael would put on videos on each of these monitors. same video. >> right. he would put videos, whoever wanted to sit here and watch them on all these screens, sit here and eat your candy, all the sweets that you would want. and the kids would hang out and watch the videos all night long. >> reporter: this is just a minuscule part, obviously, of the compound here. one small portion of it where people would come and hang ou

here is his message, anderson to katherine jackson and family members. katherine jackson has nothing to worry about, family members have nothing to worry about, they will be provided for, well provided for as the will and trust stipulates. 40% goes to his mother, 40% to his kids and 20% to charity. it was a very emotional meeting after he got back from vacation and learned of michael jackson's death. the will surfaced. he met with katherine jackson and the children and they were happy michael jackson provided for his mother and his family in that will. >> this man and the two executors are capable. they had michael jackson's confidence. the family contested it. they wanted more control over it but they didn't get that. >> it was before the will surfaced they had contested. they didn't know about this will. that is when they went to court. of course the family would like more control over their family member's assets. john branca managed michael jackson at the height of his career, he negotiated the deal with sony music, the my jack deal. people say he is