about. >> what do you think when you hear the name katherine forbes now. >> run for the hills, run.reporter: she says a business went downhill when she opened a coffee shop. >> she would physically the aggravate me. >> reporter: she says she won two lawsuits against forbes but has not paid a dime yet. another busy -- business sought to evict forbes. we asked her about the other cases. >> they haven't shared their side of it with me. there's people that do unscrupulous things and then they turn around and try to use techniques to hurt me. >> i have to tell you, that's eerie because it sounds exactly like what they say you're doing to them. >> yeah, okay. it's going to be up to a jury. >> reporter: have you ever won a case where you got to stay without paying. that's a pretty good deal. >> i'm not trying not to pay. >> reporter: we recently attended a hearing for the lawsuit forbes filed against her landlord but forbes was a no show. >> that is just such a bizarre case. when you interviewed her, what was she like. she seemed very calm. >> we showed up unannounced. she was calm. she se