i'm going to go talk to katherine and he ran upstairs to katherine graham's office and then he came back to my desk and he said they're not your notes. katherine says they're her notes and that if anybody is going to go to jail it's going to be katherine graham. it gives you a notion of what was at stake. bob: and ben was ecstatic. carl: he was. bob: he said, just think of that katherine graham, her limb seen pulls up to the d.c. women's detention center. and out pops our gal, as he called her, going to jail to defend the first amendment and ben got a little excited and said, you know, that picture will run on every -- on the front page of every newspaper in the country, no, the world. it will be, and the end of that story is they backed down. they folded when they saw that she was going to stand up. carl: she did it for the business and was willing to go through whatever was required. mark: i want to call attention to the fact that the two of you teamed up recently on this really brilliant forward to the new edition of "all the president's men that skillfully fused together the knicksen