i met katherine sneed about 20 years ago. she had this project, the garden project at the san francisco county jail. she called me up one day and said, you know, we are growing vegetables out here and if we grow vegetables the way you like to have them grown, would you buy them from us? i said sure. she said, the only thing>> local jail owned and operated. you were that definitive? >> i have had lots of experiences with farming, over the phone, you don't know what to expect. she said i want you to come out and see this project before you make a decision. i went out to the jail in san baru.n. o. she had 7 acres of land planted. she said tell alice about what is going on here. this one guy said hey, you know, i have only been working in the garden for one day and this is the best day of my life. 21 years old, in and out of jail a couple of days. i said i am buying the vegetables. [laughter] doesn't matter to me. it turned out to be an incredible relationship. what was so beautiful, it is not just the growing of the food that wa