katherine willard's aunt was another frances, frances willard, head of the wctu.o how did her friend, frances folsom, and cleveland feel about the temperance movement? thanks so much. susan swain: thank you patricia. some real interesting personal stories tonight. it sounds like you want to make that connection, as well. annette b. dunlap: well, yeah, i definitely want to make that connection, because i lost track of katherine willard and wells college has lost track of katherine willard, and she and frances were, indeed, very close friends. and frances did introduce katherine to mr. baldwin, by the way. frances was the matchmaker. frances took a temperance vow when she -- probably about the time she joined the presbyterian church, which was at the age of 14, and she honored that up until the latter part of her life. susan swain: however, she, unlike the hayeses, allowed... annette b. dunlap: she allowed -- susan swain: alcohol to be served in the white house. annette b. dunlap: absolutely. she served alcohol. she had some very fine wines served at some good state