kathleen: we did. lemonis: i was gonna take a trip to greece this summer, and i'm looking for tater tots... cheese sticks, cheddar balls, mushrooms. -hummus isn't greek. -andreas: lebanese. lemonis: what do you actually make yourself? mike: we have the traditional gyro. we have steak. we have fresh chicken. and then we have souvlaki, which is a pork. and you can either have a sandwich, a salad, or a platter. lemonis: do you know how to hand-roll grape leaves? mike: absolutely, we do. kathleen: yeah, but we buy them frozen. mike: we don't have the square footage for it. kathleen: yeah, you can't -- did you see our kitchen? mike: here, we'll show you the kitchen. you'll get a better understanding. kathleen: this is our kitchen. lemonis: what kitchen? mike: it's a broom closet with a refrigerator. lemonis: you guys said you were taking me into the kitchen. -mike: we were being facetious. -lemonis: oh. [ laughter ] a lot of frozen stuff. this food barely qualifies as greek. and worse off, most of it's not

i will start with kathleen. >> ah. >> larry: okay. all right. kathleen keep it 100 okay? lied to get a man in trouble? >> is there a prize if i win? >> larry: keep it 100. >> lied to get a man in trouble. >> no. >> i don't know if i like your pose. >> catholic, catholic school. just saying. i think we have to get you a -- >> larry: i don't know. audience. >> no, i never have. >> larry: i think somebody told some little fix. >> no, i swear. >> larry: okay. >> nothing. >> larry: okay. all right. keith. >> i am absolutely going to keep it 100. >> larry: all right. i know you will. we will see. okay? all right. cosby calls you up. >> my man. >> all right. we will see. he invites you go out for a drink with him and some women, do you go? >> absolutely. >> what do you want me to do. you want me to keep it 100 or not. >> larry: you kept it 100. whoa. >> yes. exactly. >> larry: why am i so uncomfortable with his response? >> that's not how the game is supposed to go. >> larry: all right. jamel would you rather he went to jail and never admitted his guilt or admitted his guilt and

senate race because kathleen kane is out of the of the picture. >> he is thinking about this.aying that is going to help him. >> number one the governor did not consult with law enforcement officials, so you got the district association leaders upset with him you got the state troopers upset with him. bottom line there was no consultation notwithstanding the legal implications which are not going to get resolved anytime soon, the fact of the matter we have only put three people to death since the 19770s and 199. does it build up another set of people like we have in the open records case that have problems with consultation and problems with whether or not. >> you brought up williams and the political state senator vincent hughes has been asked. joe sestak sailed i'm running for -- said i'm running as a democrat. they want to square off against pat toomey. this is looking like it's going to a great race, how does the landscape look to you guys, who do you think will stick it out and show up for the rails. >> joe sestak else a driven guy, i think toomey is in a much better posi

kathleen and as i mentioned kathleen's daughter works on my team on cnn.'s a wonderful writer/producer. we're very proud of your daughter kathy. >> thank you. >> she's a great woman. okay. so let's talk about the mood in rhode island. >> oh, i'll just tell you, she's the result of -- well i met my husband during the blizzard of '78 so bethanie came later on. >> so that's one good thing that can come out of the storm, but you told me earlier that this storm is much different from '78 when it comes to gauging people's moods. >> yeah. i think like the topic of every conversation no matter where you go is oh, no more snow. i'm sick of it. and a lot of people that i come in contact with they're very moody. and a couple of times i said well we have no control over the weather. i met my husband during the blizzard of '78 and i have two beautiful girls. and you need to make the most of it. and one person said to me oh, how can you even say that? you do. you don't have any control over the weather. i must say, you know i can't go out and walk and do the things i no

kathleen dominguez. i'm the ta lead and that is one of the challenges. having been a 16 year kindergarten teacher in sfusd when i lost my paraprofessional it was heart breaking and challenging so we were able to secure funding to have them for the first six weeks of school. however i offered it to the site administrators they could extend that time instead of going full day they could go part day if they wanted. part of the legislation we hoped would pass last year there was the additional paraprofessional for the entire year. >> absolutely. >> it's a big transition for the kids themselves that come from the kindergarten where the ratio is 2-1, sometimes 4-1. it's challenging. we have created funding at different sites where the site managers and principals decided to put more of the general fund into that and extend the time for their paraprofessionals so that is one of the goals eventually with the help of you of course to get some sort of legislation passed -- >> at the state level. >> at the state level we have been working really hard. >> please inv

i'm reverend kathleen day. i'm a friend of the muellers. kayla was a student at northern arizona university in campus ministry among all the different organizations she was involved in. since then, i've kept up with her and know her and her family. they've asked some of us to come and give you a few words of ways that we know kale lashgs maybe words that aren't so scripted. if i can get through it i think about two minutes they said for each of us. as far as syria goes you know when kayla was at campus ministry she was part of a just peace group. we would talk about peace through justice, that you can't have peace without justice. and we met, would have a simple dinner and we would read books and talk about articles through a variety of lenses. and together a group of us traveled to guatemala to hear their stories and just keep that conversation going. so when kayla was in syria, i tried to follow what she was doing, and i would read her posts. it was really like keeping vigil because it was so difficult to read about the horror that was ha

the truth about kathleen kane. the attorney general said the site challenges what she calls the smears and false accusations against her. kane is fighting the results of a grand jury report. the panel recommended charging her in connection with a leak of grand jury information. kane says the investigation is politically motivated. >>> the time right now is 5:36. police in delaware county busted up a fake i.d. scam. now they have a warning for college students. it all happened after those i.d.s were sent in the mail to the dean instead of a student named dean. we'll explain it all coming up after the break. >>> plus, because of the recent cold farmers in our area are keeping a close eye on their crops but they say the wind and snow actually helped them. we'll talk about that in just a moment. >>> now your nbc 10 first alert weather. >>> welcome back on this saturday morning. we're in first alert weather mode, tracking snow for later on this afternoon. right now we're looking at calm and quiet conditions. it's a frig

this morning are nbc's joe scarborough, white house correspondent april ryan, the washington post's kathleen parker and former senior adviser to president obama david axelrod. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >>> from nbc news in washington this is "meet the press," with chuck todd. >> good morning. for the second time this year a european capital is recovering from an apparent terrorist attack, linked to islamic extremism. this time it is copenhagen, denmark. police shot dead a gunman they believe was responsible for a pair of attacks that left two people dead. one in a cafe, where a free speech event was taking place. and another at a synagogue. our chief foreign correspondent richard engel has been following the story and joins me now from istanbul. richard, what can you tell us? do we know for sure the attacker was doing this on behalf or inspired by al qaeda? >> reporter: certainly officials in denmark believe that this was a terrorist attack. and they are going to great lengths to say that denmark is not at war with islam but is at war with radical islam. they seem to be linki

. >> one more time for -- kathleen from south carolina. we're concerned about our grandchildren. would you consider running for president in 2016? we need you! [applauding] charles: kathleen, i would if we could expunge that one part miswild child from 19 to 39. [laughter] thanks a lot. we're live from the world moneyshow down here in florida. we're having a great time with the live audience. coming back to answer more of your questions. we ain't finished yet. tweet me @cvpayne. tell me what you want to hear and what you think. thanks a lot. ♪ [applauding] charles: all right, guys. hey, we're back. and the crowd is rocking. let's start out the gate. ron, what's your question? >> i'm from alabama. roll tide. everybody has be sure their phones, but my qualcomm keeps going down. charles: what part of alabama? >> birmingham. charles: here's our qua qualcomm went against the world and he won. that's what america is about. that's what we want to remember. >> i agree. >> so qualcomm, i love it. i recommended people used this pullback to add more.

. >> one more time for -- kathleen from south carolina.e concerned about our grandchildren. would you consider running for president in 2016? we need you! [applauding] charles: kathleen, i would if we could expunge that one part miswild child from 19 to 39. [laughter] thanks a lot. we're live from the world moneyshow down here in florida. we're having a great time with the live audience. coming back to answer more of your questions. we ain't finished yet. tweet me @cvpayne. tell me what you want to hear and what you think. thanks a lot. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. but for people with copd, the world is filled with air. sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellip

. >> petersen is serving 38 years for the murder of kathleen sabvo. she was found drowned.t was ruled an accident until fourth wife stacey went missing. doug burns is a police attorney and a lyyse is a former prosecutor as well. i didn't mention that drew petersen is a former cop. >> probably not a lot of friends. >> take up his attorney's point. >> it is talking about what makes sense. we are not talking about someone rational talking about the case. this is a guy convicted of killing his wife and another gone missing and may have killed her as well. and by the way when he was sentenced by the prosecutor, he said remember my face. he is angry at the prosecutor and there were three people when i was a prosecutor for threatening me. it happens on a daily basis. >> it sounds like a movie script. >> and drew peteresen. >> every client deserves a good defense. >> and with good justification. however, i do think that that lawyer is making a good point. >> first of all he was known for being cautious and never leaving a lot of evidence trails. he will run his mouth on a murder fo

host: kathleen, chicago. democratic caller. go ahead. caller: good morning. host: you on the air. go ahead. caller: two points. first of all, what would make these people sitting here on stage think that president obama can win the war against the third world since this is been going on for thousands of years. it is funny how we can say here -- sit here and go in, while everyone is minding their own business. but right here in this country you cannot even get a background check when that guy way in there -- went in there and killed 25 babies in that school. that is what we should be focusing on. we are killing just like isis. we are beheading just like them. no one comes over here. take care of home for us. mind your business. then we would not have isis. guest: i think the caller raises an important point. the discussion of what is going on with isis is not substitute for a conversation about what is going on domestically. there is a whole host of domestic issues that the administration needs to focus on. including gun violence, and a whole host of things that require our attenti

lisa kathleen graddy, valerie steele and tracy reese. thank you. [ applause ] >>> join american history tv like us on facebook. >> and next, presidential charactertures. during the presentation historian david mccull lu discusses the presidents and some of their most memorable qualities. this is about an hour. i want to tell you, you're in for a rare thrill of an experience. i saw patrick do what he does this way in rome two years ago and it took my breath away. it's like watching a magic show. and i think that you'll come away, i hope you will, with a feeling that many of us have that what he's doing is of immense importance and his total body of work is a major american accomplishment in art, not just in politics and understanding of the times we have been living in. one of the most obvious lessons in history is that it isn't just about politics and war and boring statistics. it's about everything.

it won't be a surprise. >> he was convicted of killing his third wife kathleen stavio who drowned in bathtub, remember >> a man accused of killing american sniper chris kyle. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle see how much you could save. >>> breaking tonight. the jury now seat the in the trial of a man accused of murdering chris kyle the former navy s.e.a.l. depicted in the hit movie "american sniper." prosecutors say eddie ray routh killed kyle and a friend at a gun range in 2013. they called in four times as many potential jurors as they normally would. opening statements begin wednesday. >>> a night of political statements and protests at the grammys. trace gallagher has the report. trace. >> megyn, let's begin with begin et paltrow and what many believe was a lecture of race relations. >> we live in complicated times. and now more than ever we need understanding and to acknowledge the feelings of others. >> to which conservative columnist tweeted, "hollier than thou hollywood e pit meezed privileged elite paltrow bloefuating about raci

todd strauss and kathleen titus are from uara events. they're here to tell us how short this race will be. this is not the kind of race that mr. robertson who walks for miles, this is for folks who may not be in shape to do a 40-yard dash. tell us how short this race actually is. >> it is a 0.0. the idea was -- let's put together an event that runner and nonrunners alike can come to and enjoy. we had the idea after seeing a cartoon on social media that had an instant gratification, zero mile fun run. we thought in the off season the middle of winter when it is tough to put on events tough to get out and train, let's put together an event that both runners and nonrunners can enjoy together. maybe their significant others are on the sidelines can come and enjoy with them. and come and enjoy the post race party. >> kathleen i first saw this i thought this had to be the idea of college kids at a frat party, laying around one night, you know comes up with this thing. but this is -- this is actually going to go for a good cause. tell us who it

. >> 16-year-old kathleen hahn, known as jasmine to her family, came to live with her grandparents as a toddler. they were the only parents she knew. >> i was her grandmother, but i raised her just like mine. i couldn't have loved her any more if i did give birth to her. >> was that necklace hard work? >> no. >> no? who are you making it for? >> for you. >> for me? oh, isn't that nice. >> jasmine was raised in a house of southern manners and strict standards. the hahns wanted to ensure that their granddaughter, an honors student and tomboy, received everything she needed to realize her dream of becoming a veterinarian. >> she wanted to help any animal, big or small, daddy long legs, don't kill it, she'll put it outside. >> at age 12 jasmine suffered a huge emotional jolt when her beloved uncle ernie died suddenly from leukemia. grieving and vulnerable, it was then her family says that jasmine fell prey to a troubled neighborhood girl named danielle. >> i felt bad because the little girl had had a rough life, you know. so i told jas to let her come over, be friends with her. she may ne

. >> well, the community has child in, on facebook we have kathleen gives a nuance perspective. i've seen ineffective teachers who should have been fired long time ago stay on just because they are tenured and i see great teachers who can't get jobs because they are not tenured. speak going this california ruling it was pretty harsh. it also says, the teacher tenure rights, minority students and low income students, do you agree and if so how does it harm the students? >> well i think taking one step back, i think teacher tenure is an important argument. it's a policy like many other education policies but i would argue in our organization has 35 years experience, arguing that if we really want to improve schools and improve student achievement we need to address poverty. >> exactly. >> the greatest teachers in the world, with super-star principles the best curriculum can't make a kid think about math when they're hungry. can't make a kid think about science if they're not sure where they're going to sleep at night or if they have a toothache. the kids we work with are about 80%

. >>> kathleen kane is taking on her critics tonight. she's launched a website. she said it's aimed at challenging all the smears and accusations against her. the panel recommending charging her in connection with a leak of grand jury information shchl e said the investigation is politically motivated. >>> new at 11:00. another sign that delaware is becoming a music destination. the brewgrass is coming. it's music that combines bluegrass music and beer. there are several music festivals expected to draw visitors from around the country. carrie underwood, blake shelton, toby keith and florida georgia line are just some of the acts expected to perform this summer. >>> forget about a concert in wildwood this year. the wildwood board of commissioners has decided the beach glow concert cannot happen that weekend. last year it brought thousands of people to wildwood but many complained of vulgar language. they have suggested another date but nothing's been made official just yet. >>> tonight we're hearing new details. >> de'von pickett was a tour manager for nicky mina

>> kathleen fisher: somewhere between 30 and 50. >> stahl: kathleen fisher, a darpa veteran, says a modernly a computer on wheels. you've seen the ads of your gps or smartphone linked to the dashboard, but this way, your car could be hacked and taken over remotely. here we go! they showed us. >> fisher: you might look at the dashboard there... >> stahl: what am i looking at? oh! >> ready, lesley? >> fisher: all right! >> stahl: this is a regular new car. the masking tape is only there because we agreed to obscure its make and model. >> kaufman: we'll give them the illusion they control the car, for now. >> stahl: kaufman has been working on this for five years with multiple research teams. >> kaufman: we want to hit the fluids? >> stahl: oh, my gosh. >> kaufman: there we go. >> there we go. >> stahl: what's that? what's that? what's that? >> fisher: that's the windshield wiper fluid. >> stahl: no, wait. is... so this is something that a hacker... >> fisher: that's right. a hacker... they... obviously, you didn't turn on the windshield wipers. >> stahl: i did nothing. using a laptop, the ha

drew peterson, our viewers may remember him this is the guy convicted of murdering his third wife kathleencago area. and he was also a suspect in the death of his fourth wife or maybe reversed -- i may have four and three reversed. but convicted of killing a wife and the suspect the other wife and now he's charged with something new. >> yeah. they're saying that he's accused of putting out a hit on the prosecutor that prosecuted him for the death. just like you, megyn, i'm not sure third or fourth wife, they're saying he put a hit out on the prosecutor. >> how did they figure that out, mercedes? somebody turned on him from prison. he called up hit men. aren't your calls -- >> certainly screened. if law enforcement stepped in and somehow established there were these phone calls made. and you know these sting operations are very sophisticated. no officer's going to come forward and say i entrapped him. no one's going to set up drew peterson. he's insignificant in news. he was convicted. and would it be a big surprise the man was convicted of murdering one wife suspected of murdering another.

and kathleen -- tackling the new big names marriage and money what you ought to know before you say it ahead had. ♪ ♪ >>> money and marriage hot topic for any couple, but it doesn't have to be. dan rocatto shows us how the two can company exist in a perfect marriage. >> this is dan rocatto and before you say i do, you might want to say what's your score? talking about your credit score. you see, when you get married certain things change, certain things stay the same. your credit score stays the same. credit scores are always attach attached to an individual. there's no such thing as a joint score. another area of confusion about credit and marriage is how you relate with your partner's credit card company. you are not authorized automatically. in fact, if you're married your partner still has to call the credit card company and make you an authorized user that can help if one of the partners has shaky credit. you trying to build that person's credit back up. and finally, one of the things you want to do is make sure if you change your name, very common when you get married you check

special correspondent kathleen mccleery has that.ntains graphic footage. >> reporter: 14 year police veteran jim jury knows he and the 935 officers on albuquerque's force are getting national attention. >> it's shaken the department up. >> reporter: the intense scrutiny stems in part from charges filed last month against two officers. >> we did file what we refer to as an open count of murder. >> reporter: district attorney kari brandenburg took a tough stand after two policemen shot and killed a mentally ill homeless man in march. she charged officer dominique perez and detective keith sandy with murdering 38-year-old james boyd. he was illegally camping here in the foothills of the sandia mountains overlooking the city of albuquerque. the police were called, a four hour standoff followed and the scene was recorded by a camera worn by one of the officers. >> don't change up your agreement, i'm going to try to walk with you. >> reporter: boyd is heard agreeing to walk down the mountain with the police. less than 30 seconds later, the

. >>> pennsylvania attorney general kathleen kane is moving ahead to clear her name.special prosecutor she said did not have the legal authority to investigate her. she filed papers with the state supreme court today. a grand jury found her office leaked information to a philadelphia newspaper. and the grand jury recommended charges. >>> as expected the race for mayor in philadelphia is a little more crowded tonight. jim kenny announced his mayoral campaign today at city hall. kenney resigned from the city council to run for the city's highest office. he served six terms as a councilman. he joins a democratic field that includes abraham, williams and former judge nelson diaz. the primary is may 19th. >>> new at 11:00, there's a chance someone out there is jumping around and screaming so loudly right now. they can't hear a word they're saying. >> they don't know what's going on. that's if they matched all six numbers, powerball selected a few minutes ago for tonight's $317 million draw. and here are those numbers selected. 51 52 36 24 56 and the powerball is 22. again,

documents, a judge says the truth is crying to be heard in the investigation of attorney general kathleen kane. she's fighting the results, which recommended criminal charges against her. a judge argued in documents presented to the pennsylvania supreme court that he had authority to name a special prosecutor. kane is fiting that appointment and she wants the appointment of the special prosecutor declared unlawful. back in december the grand jury found reasonable grounds to charge kane with perjury, false swearing official -- related to a leak of grand jury information. she plans to bring the fight to the pennsylvania supreme court. reporting live from the digital operation's center. nbc 10 news. >>> the philadelphia d.a. wants the state's highest court to get involved in pennsylvania's death penalty debate. >> here's where people can differ on the death penalty if we should have it. it's up to the state lawmakers to determine whether it's criminal law and what the punishments are, not the governor. >> he's petitioned the pennsylvania supreme court. he wants the court to reject the govern

kathleen dean who was driving that car told you news 4 it sounded like a bomb. however, in a statement maryland state highway officials say the bridge over suitland road is safe. they say the debris that fell is superficial and has nothing to do with the integrity or safety of the bridge. news 4 did obtain an inspection report that lists the bridge as one of 82 considered structurally deficienting a cross across the state. >>> long time 60 minutes and cbs correspondent bob simon has been killed in a car crash in new york city. it happened on manhattan's west side highway. we're told he was a passenger in a town car that hit another vehicle. the roof was cut off of the town car to remove simon and driver. both were taken to the hospital. simon died on the way. he was 73 years old. >>> 4:36 now. tonight muslims will gather at dupont circle to remember three college students murdered near the university of north carolina. council on american islamic relations is holding that vigil. last night thousands of students put aside their differences to remember the victims

kathleen: you're gonna put it on me now?ea how to run it. rich: i've lost respect for mike as an individual. lemonis: their food misses the mark. they're actually terrible. andreas: you don't like them? lemonis: no. their branding is all over the place. hamburgers and hot dogs? and the franchisees aren't getting anything close to the help they need. kane: the only help we ever got from them was on the first of the month, they came and picked up their royalty check. lemonis: for this business to survive,

if does he that, he's right in the game. >> kathleen, it was interesting, when romney got out friday, it felt as if he launched the starting gun. now we know the field. we know who is there. we know that -- we know everybody else is running. there is no more dominos to fall. >> that's right. i think one of the things that romney set out to accomplish, besides removing himself from what i think amounts to personal reasons, he wanted to set an example for the rest of the field. and in other words, he wanted to show you can do this thing without ripping each other apart. he really did -- yeah -- >> really? and mitt romney didn't do that in '08? the toughest negative ads were mitt romney against newt gingrich. >> maybe -- >> we're in a period of reform. so maybe this applies to mitt romney as well. >> you know, savannah, what interests me now is watching jeb bush. i saw a "washington post" clip here jeb bush has become the gop front-runner for 2016. now what? i'm sitting there going, since when do we have a front-runner who doesn't lead any polls? >> when romney was still polling, he had

. >>> pennsylvania's attorney general kathleen cane wants the state supreme court to dismiss the grand jury case against her. cane is accused of leaking secret documents to a philadelphia newspaper in order to discredit her critics. cane's lawyers argue that the special prosecutor who investigated her didn't have the legal authority to do so. high court justices will meet in philadelphia in march for oral arguments in this case. >>> as expected a longtime philadelphia city councilman is making a run for mayor. jim kennie made that announcement yesterday at city hall. he resigned from city council last week so he could enter the mayor's race. he served six terms as a councilman. who's in? he joins a democratic field including former district attorney lynn abraham, state senator anthony hardy williams and former judge nelson diaz. the primary is may 19th. >>> now your nbc 10 first alert weather with meteorologist bill henley. >> it's a warmer start, but there's cold air on the way. right now the wind is light. that's going to change in a big way today. clouds are moving into the area and

. >>> pennsylvania attorney general kathleen cane wants the state supreme court to dismiss the grand jury case against her. cane is accused of leaking secret documents to a philadelphia newspaper in order to discredit her critics. cane's lawyers argue that the special prosecutor who investigated her just didn't have the legal authority to do that. high court justices will meet in philadelphia in march for oral arguments in the case. >>> 19 minutes after 5:00 now. and almost hate to say that it's been a slow morning so far because you know what will happen. so i'm not going to say that. >> jillian mele. but he said it anyway. >> that doesn't count. >> you're thinking it. >> good morning. it has been really quiet out there. but i know anytime we have a morning like this oftentimes i'm usually the one to jinx it. this is a live look in delaware. 95 right at route 896. 95 is clear. 495 looks good. same situation on route 1 and 113. new jersey checking out drive times. 42 from route 55 to the walt whitman bridge will take you five minutes. by the way your area bridges are looking good so

kathleen kane is fighting the results of a grand jury. the panel recommended charging her in connection with the leak of grand jury information. in documents presented to the state supreme court today, a montgomery county judge said he did have the authority to appoint a special prosecutor that led the grand jury probe, but kane is saying he did not have the legal standing and she's calling for the appointment to be declared unlawful. >>> happening today in our delaware bureau education secretary arne duncan will visit delaware to mark the progress of schools in that state. duncan will tour classrooms in wilmington and newark. he'll also join the governor on preparing students for colleges and careers. >>> medical marijuana is legal in new jersey. now there's a new campaign to legalize recreational use of that drug. a group of prosecutors, civil rights activists and health officials announced plans yesterday in newark. they're pushing for legislation to legalize tax and regulate marijuana distribution. they want adults to be allowed to po

. >> reporter: kathleen conley is with the humane society of the united states. >> these can be invasives that even involve deaths of the animals. >> reporter: it's all perfectly legal. in fact, the government mandates animal testing for many products. this lab in denver invited our sister station to come in for a tour. hoping for the same we tried to contact david young and his wife and business partner kareem at their home office. it's a horse breeding facility called revelers ranch. >> get out of here! >> reporter: down the road at the actual lab they weren't exactly happy to see us. i did reach dr. young over the phone. he declined our request for an interview because he said people have already made up their minds about animal testing, that it's inhumane and unjust. after our phone conversation dr. young hired a public relations person. she referred us to a local vet who she told us worked closely with young. but you've never been to his lab? >> no. i see his animals that come to our hospital. >> reporter: dr. robert santos told us all he does is treat animals in the colony that get