brian disappeared that he was very angry with brian and that he was going to jump him with a weapon. >> reporter: that matches her version of events. kathleenys the fatal blow wasn't from a punch, as shane lamb confessed, but from a knife. >> tell me what you believe happened between brian and rob render. >> i believe that render comes up behind him like this and cuts his throat and in the process, cuts himself. then, i believe, that brian starts falling forward and render grabs the door. that's why his thumbprint is on the door and then he pushes him like this. then he scrapes against those boxes. that's why the transfer blood is there. the attack is in the hallway. so we're all familiar with the blood evidence. >> reporter: and acting on a tip from this witness, kathleen's investigators, finding a piece of evidence in the police report, a pair of soiled underwear, with a brownish red color. kathleen thinks it may be blood. >> mario's attorney, kathleen zellner, believes that what may have happened in this ladies' bathroom could blow this case wide open. a stock boy, coming in this bathroom about a month after brian disappeared, saw that t