kathleen kane case is crazy. there's a case down in texas -- ken paxton, who's the attorney general there, who's up on sec fraud chargesin florida, you have pam bondi, attorney general there, being looked at and investigated for possible misuse of her office. so across the country, we're having some issues. and right here in pennsylvania compiling with all the rest of these corruption issues and such, it is not a good look as we move into november, particularly as we have to turn out the vote for this election and pennsylvania being a swing state. >> but, larry, her allegedly getting revenge and now the state getting revenge on her revenge -- where does it end? >> yeah, beats me. this narrative is just amazing, and that's what we have on all those other cases. we've got an original script here. but i talked to bruce ledewitz, the law professor at duquesne recently, who said he doubts that she gets convicted of the felonies here -- perjury -- 'cause any prosecutor will tell you, it's really hard to convict someone of perjury. >> because you have to prove intent. >> you have to prove intent. there can be no shades of gra