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. >> laura: i hardly recognized her that is kathleen sebelius. does that ring a bell? the failed hhs secretary under obama. and she is also worried about trump's withdrawal from the who. >> i'm afraid what it will be as the world health organization if the united states withdraws it may well collapse. and what that does is not just make americans far less safe and secure, did you, it really sends ripples throughout the world in terms of not being able to detect and prevent and restrain diseases at a very early stage, not being able to share information. >> laura: oh my god, i just fell asleep. i'm sorry, that was so boring. this comes from the same woman who oversaw the failed launch of the obamacare website. do you remember that? now, remember when no one could access it? no one can access what she is saying now. it took me three years to figure that out. the left is upset because, most of all, trump is doing what he promised to do. fix large parts of our government frarkly all of it. joining me now dr. marc siegel nyu langone professor of medicine. dr. siegel, your r

and earlier, i spoke with the former secretary of health and human services, kathleen sebelius. and here's some of our conversation. >> the process of withdrawing from the world health organization takes a year. so we are not out of the world health organization. if i understand it, the executive order puts w.h.o. on notice that the united states intends to withdraw. that's step one. i am delighted to know that he may, within two days of having issued the executive order, may now be reconsidering. this isn't a discussion of how much we are or are not willing to pay, and what other countries pay. it is essential to the health of americans that we understand what's happening across the globe. we understand what's breaking out in remote countries. we have the opportunity to work with health ministers and health leaders to monitor disease, to contain, control and hopefully wipe out outbreaks before they reach our borders. we we live in a global country. we cannot stop disease from coming into the states. and jessica, we already saw what happens when the united states backs out of gl

kathleen sebelius, who served as secretary of health and human services in the obama administration. you could almost. >> see secretary sebelius. >> thom tillis. >> his face, start to harden. >> as he continued to reel off conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. >> we showed. >> one of them, but then he named a bunch, and then thom tillis just interrupted and said, okay, okay. >> okay, i think we're. >> done here. we're just going to move on. >> you know? i mean, what did you make of these. >> hearings today? >> if you had a chance to. >> see much. >> of it? >> well, i think. >> what rfk jr demonstrated. >> today. >> which he has. demonstrated over and over and over again, is that he has very strong. opinions about a lot. >> of things. >> he knows very little about. that doesn't. >> stop him. >> from announcing opinions as fact. it doesn't stop him from making recommendations that are widely disputed by scientific evidence. and that makes him very, very dangerous in the position as the major health minister. of the united states. >> yeah, yeah, he didn't seem to actually understan

siegel, your response to kathleen sebelius, if you didn't fall asleep like i almost did? >> well, i was thinking of the irony here which kept me awake. listen to what she did under obama she brought in obamacare, as you mentioned the failed websites but but how about the fact it extended the sick care system more and more people got coverage but didn't give them care. let's make everybody sick so the insurance companies are happy and then we will cover it and pump you full of pharmaceuticals and get heavier and heavier. you will drink more alcohol. obesity epidemic, all of the things that r.f.k. jr. and president trump under make america healthy again are trying to reverse in other words, it's before you ever get to the doctor's office that you want to have clean food that's not full of chems, isn't full of red die. not full of things that make you obese that leads to the very health problems high blood pressure, diabetes. dementia and sleep apnea and even cancer. guess what? obamacare is promising to cover that how dare increased the federal spending in this situation to

that came from former secretary of hhs kathleen sebelius, who joins us now. secretary, thanks for your time. you've also said that if rfk jr. is confirmed, he will cause it will cause disease and death. why do you think he is so dangerous in terms of taking on this role that you have held? what questions do you hope that senators will be asking him when they vet him? well, kate, thanks. >> for having me. >> um, it's really hard to. >> figure out where rfk jr. stands. on most issues, but some are pretty clear. he has said over and over and over again that there is no safe and effective vaccine. while he seems to be denying that position in his recent senate visits, that's his position for years. and that, to me, is one of the most dangerous things that could come out of the mouth of any health minister representing the united states. and with influence across the globe, because vaccines are probably the single biggest health improvement in the last 100 years. in this country, saving millions and millions of lives. so having a pronounced view that no vaccine is