here to talk about it is kathleen smith, principal at renaissance capital.prospectus last night. we didn't get a real sense of water going on, remarkable profitable company afternoon interesting point earlier, i said does this mean amazon is worthlet less or more? she thinks that amazon is going to move down as a result of all of this, given the margin that ali baba has. what do you make of that? >> well, i'm not sure i would look at it that way. it's not profit margin here. i think you have to look at the two earnings. ali baba's earnings are about $3.5 billion. amazon's earnings are less than a billion. so we're talking about a larger company when it comes to earnings. i think ultimately for investors, earnings matter. whether amazon is a -- >> it's crazy, you have to put in a crazy multiple on ali baba if you were to put it on a relative basis to amazon. >> on earnings, we would think that ali baba's earnings could be capitalized something like in 2015, we looked at it and said if the company is growing maybe 35 to 40% it could be a 15 billion in revenue