what it meant was if people like kathleen stock were sacked from their job kathleen stock were sackedm theirjob in kathleen stock were sacked from their job in a kathleen stock were sacked from theirjob in a university, that university could be fined for violating free speech. now labour's got rid of it. >> let's move back to this question about hold on before you move on the 1980s. there is free speech, speech legislation in place that margaret thatcher brought in. and every university should be upholding that. you don't need new legislation. >> the problem the problem is as as anybody who's seen the cases in recent years, kathleen stark , in recent years, kathleen stark, eric kaufman, noah karl, jordan peterson, i could go on and on and on. joe phoenix, helen joyce i can keep going all day long is universities aren't reforming themselves . we need to work to themselves. we need to work to protect free speech. but back to the issue at hand. the problem i have here, can i just ask, do you concede that actually people with, people that have views, other people may disagree with, that t