a number, meeting and finding a way to kathleen cunningham's heart was at the top because she is the top. when we met i was working in the back room of the whiteelse. kathy was writing for channel 7. here also was someone else -- she was also working for someone else. i was a back room guy in politics. she was a news producer. when i tell people what i learned about marriage these years is about the common values. if you get them, sticking together is easy. we agree on religion, on children being important, on family being important, on trying to be nice. my great break in life is meeting someone like that spending my life with someone like that. kathy is my ambassador to people. living on my own, i don't think i would be living in such a large world. as i said, it was our 35st wedding anniversary yesterday. in my luck holds i will keep on doing what i'm doing here. michael, thomas, caroline, sarah, julia, and brandon are, of course, our joy. and that's "hard ball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> that's not the measure of whether racism still exist or not. >> president