now, there has been some work, i mean, we've talked about kathrin's work on taiwan.some analysis, but i'm not sure how robust it is, about perhaps some of the curation in terms of the israel—palestinian conflict on tiktok, but the one thing that you can't... i mean, there are two things that are really difficult. of this social media output has behaved as they did? at the moment is how the tiktok algorithm actually works, cos they don't tell you. about tiktok�*s corporate links to china, theo bertram, tiktok�*s head of public policy for europe, the middle east he told the bbc, "the suggestion that we are "in any way under the thumb of the chinese government "is completely and utterly false." it's an e—sport. it's proving popular. and we've been speaking to robert mcmillan from # it's the excel world championship # who's going in the spreadsheet bin?# just trying to get that song out of my head now! we allare! ah, no chance. no chance. why does it exist and why is it popular? like, a coal furnace that's powering the radiators it's a little bit like magic to many peopl

shirin and kathrin, for the moment, thank you very much. you're describing are happening in the contextf the current its parent company, bytedance, is chinese. a ban in the us has been temporarily halted and it's not but the reason for the ban, which had bipartisan security concerns about how americans�* personal data might certain subjects. professor martin, thank you very much forjoining us. to what degree do you think the chinese technology that from the experts, is a vast array of different activities, hardware, software, different products and services. chinese firm, alibaba, that's come out today to much significant for the future of the balance of power between us and china than tiktok, which at the end the balance of power. is, is this because they got round the sanctions? important as to whether, in effect, they've cheated or they've done it themselves. and accessible ai? advanced chips are essentially like the blood of ai. like deepseek without. .. and its export controls for at least five years now, most notably not under president trump, but under a major demonstration of ch

deepseek without. .. access to chips. most notably not under president trump, but under and both kathrint, a major demonstration of chinese tech power. of how it came to pass. and what about the argument that we've heard in washington able to access? there's a lot in that, and it's a legitimate concern and again, deepseek and tiktok are slightly different. in deepseek, if you put in sensitive information a lot of data. picture. tiktok, i think there are weak arguments for banning it and stronger arguments for banning it. the data security model for social media apps is so broken everywhere in the world that if you ban ..the... and not do anything else. the stronger argument is about the way in which tiktok i think, if you look at the broad sweep of history asked in 100 years' time, at a time of great tension how it works? now, it's not going to perpetrate a massive deception. it's not going to persuade them about... i think is of concern, much more so than data the influence of china via tiktok might work, you've been looking at the potential impact of tiktok on young people's views. um,

many more are lying in the streets. somebody's golf in phase the figure is much higher around 2000 kathrine. so he has more from level b and 53. and it's all i say that the reason why they declare that fire is because of the humanitarian crisis and the wrong coma. but then they stacy will not hesitate to defend themselves. they are a top no, we have not heard from the government and don't expect to hear that was on the government has said time. and again, the not going to engage or to do anything involving a m 23. and they believe that such declarations are just a p r a. we also know that the government has deswartz and say that the 2000 people died at that. so i seen him go my that's a huge number. so right now we have a house with at and t is collecting the bodies and barring the dead in mass graves. many people we've spoken to lame wanda. they see one that is it is the gates of life. at the same time, they want the need of both in new york, everyone to come back to the talking table a so that they can see how the issue can be resolved. cathy story auda 0, seen a head on algae 0 this dari