kathryn dodd is here to answer any questions. supervisor kim: i think the supervisor did an amazing job of capturing both with the plan entails on the risks associated. we did have a discussion about this at budget committee. we won all of our colleagues to wait and and evaluate -- we wanted all of our colleagues to wait in and evaluate this. given the work about the health service's board has done and the research that the actuary has done, i feel confident supporting this for now. if it does work and we are successful, there could be some great benefits to moving towards a system like this. the insecurity is the unknowns in terms of how our employees will behave and what may come up over the next couple of months. i did want to -- i did want to thank the supervisors for her work around this issue. i have become much more educated about our health care program. palin permittees as the board to understand the impacts of this -- how important it is as a board to understand the impacts of this. supervisor chu: supervisor kim made t