joining us now is kathy gonzalez. she's at the advancement project in washington, d.c. she supervised the lead attorney for the plaintiffs in the case where the judge ruled today. thanks for being here. >> thank you very much. >> let me ask you if i got any of the details wrong or the explanation wrong in trying to walk folks through the pennsylvania voting law changes and how this lawsuit was handled. did i screw any of that up? >> no, you were absolutely right. it's a sad day in american democracy when our most sacred right in american democracy, with all of the proofs and the facts on our side, is set up for a case that can't win. we're appealing tomorrow because we respectfully disagree with the judge's decision. >> you're appealing to the state supreme court. i understand because there's one justice is is not going to be sitting in on this case. that's three judges, three democrats and three republicans, and if they tie, if there is a 3-3 ruling, that ruling goes to this ruling again and lets this go ahead. what are you expecting? >> we're going to keep fighting an

kathy gonzalez, thanks for joining us. please keep us apprised as this heads to the skourtd. i appreciate it. >> all right, this just in, mitt romney was once the governor of an american state. he has a governing record and everything. so why does noerbd ever talk about this? one man who can talk about it with some authority is the last massachusetts governor to run for president of the united states. his name is michael dukakis, and he is here for the interview tonight. that's just ahead. >>> first, one more thing about the other big crucial swing state that republicans appear to try to tilt in their favor by changing voting rules to make them harder. in ohio as we have been reporting for the last week, the secretary of state has been intervening at the county level to allow early voting on nights and weekends in republican leaning counties in ohio. but to not have any early voting on nights and weekends in democratic leaning counties in ohio. gee, i wonder why. today, facing increasing pressure including a blistering op-ed in the times, they announced nobody in ohio will be