kathy ireland is next. >> larry: kathy ireland, actress, model, author and entrepreneur and ceo of kathye. thanks for coming. "forbes magazine" once described you as the prototype for models who become business moguls. were you always entrepreneurial? >> i always was, larry. my -- first of all, thank you for your kind introduction. my goodness, actress, i tell people i was never an actress. i got the movies to prove it. but thank you to spend this time with you -- >> larry: my pleasure. >> last time on this format. for bringing the great american dialogue for us. thank you so much. but in answer to your question, i've always been an entrepreneur. my first job, 4 years old, sold painted rocks from my wagon. combination of design and business. paper route. always worked. i enter the modeling industry as a business person already. >> larry: so you don't know where that comes from? it was inbred in a sense? you had it? >> i did, i did. it was a passion. >> larry: jessica simpson made headline because her fashion empire nears the $1 billion mark. your brand passes that. what was the first pro