this is kathy jones at charles schwab weighing in. kathy: we don't like the ccc area.he reason is, you have to have this constant flow of liquidity and turnover in refinancing in those companies. after the big rally, anything that gets in the way of that could cause some real problems in the sectors. jonathan: ken, your thoughts? big rally, what now? ken: you have seen a big rally, and you had an enormous lag up until december. ccc's rallied until december and then have continued, outpacing high-yield so far this year. having said that, i think this is an overly conservative prediction. if you look at the ccc market in particular, there is a large portion that is energy-related. she is correct, a large number of those companies need access to the capital markets to survive. within the bbb space, there's also an enormous number of companies that have very specific, idiosyncratic risk. you have to look at those individually rather than say all ccc's have too much risk or refinancing risk, we will ignore them. jonathan: the joke is that everyone always thinks they hold th