kathy jones morning of more buses to come. >> we've been cautious on high yields for quite a while as cost of that debt or the ability to refinance that debt gets more difficult, as spreads widen for some of these lower quality companies, that then you add on a faltering economy, you are really setting yourself up for some disappointment here. our conviction is we probably have a ways to go before this has played itself out. jonathan: back with this, subadra rajappa, mike schumacher , and victoria fernandez. it was destroyed in 2018 when the primary market -- the fed has to do something. do you think this is the number one thing they're looking at right now on their dashboard? the idea that primary markets are starting to seize up worldwide? >> i think it is one of the things they are watching. liquidity in the markets is extremely important and if that liquidity starts to dry out, yes, the fed will step up and do something, and central banks. but i don't think we are that point right now. people are pulling back on the issuance they are saying. we have had spreads widened out on inve