i asked kathy martin, a spokeswoman, i asked her, kathy, he keeps saying this is off the record. he really means background. he doesn't understand what it means. >> how often do you run into a couple things, one, the person you are talking to has no idea about the rules? and two, you say don't go off the record, i'm not going to listen to you. >> well, often people are confused. this was -- it's less of an issue with writing this fact check column. i'm not necessarily quoting people unless i'm getting their particular perspective, but a lot is my analysis of the facts. when i was covering diplomacy or the white house, there was often confusion. and -- except at higher levels. no one in the state department is ever quoted on the record, except for the secretary of state generally. that's just the way of diplomacy. but it's just -- people are confused about it. >> speaking of that, you did a book on condoleezza rice called "the confidante," did you have a lot of people talking to you off the record or on deep background? >> that book was written essentially on deep background and i

i asked kathy martin, he is saying this is off the record. she said, he really means background. he does not understand what it means. >> how often do you run into a couple of things? the person you're talking to have no idea about these kinds of roles. you say do not go off the record i'm not going to listen. >> often people are confused. it is less of an issue writing this fact check column. i'm not necessarily quoting people. a lot of it is my analysis of the facts. when i was dealing with the white house there is a lot of confusion. no in the state department is ever quoted on the record it set for the secretary of state generally. that is just the way of diplomacy. it is just -- people are confused. >> you did a book on condoleezza rice. did you have a lot of people talking to you off the record or were they talking to you on deep background? >> that book was written especially on deep background. i did five hours of interviews with condoleezza rice herself on deep background. that book was written to be a you are there fly on the wall. i recreated things that happened behin

martin. plus two lucky ladies from the plaza for a new look. how was it today? >> terrific. 60th anniversary. >> there were so many people for the 60th anniversary. it was a lot of fun. >> kathyrs old from washington, d.c. she has not changed her hair style in ten years. so her daughter begged us to give her a brand-new style. let's take a listen to her story. >> nothing like a wanted poster to get what you want. and you did. you got it. carlin, i know you want this for your mom. tell us why. >> she -- both of her parents are sick so, she goes over at least twice a week to take care of them. and she takes care of us. and she never puts herself first. so she really deserves this. >> you're such a good daughter. are you ready for us to pamper you? >> i am so ready. thank you so much. this is so exciting. >> that's sweet. >> how sweet is that. her lovely daughter, carlin, is standing right there with her blindfold on. she's never looked lovelier. >> keep your blindfold on until we give you the green light. here is kathy pollack before. all right, kathy. let's see the new you! >> oh, my gosh! >> i love that hair style! oh, my gosh. >> carlin, are you ready? >> yeah. >> take off y