kathy martin's been there.ught the speech that she gave the day of the conviction was very profound and said a lot to a lot of my friends who work there who feel the morale is low and they feel, you know, they're really in a bad position. joe khan brought a lot of great ideas in the election. he did lose the election. you know, unlikely the judges will pick another judge because you'd have to give up being a judge just to serve for a few months. so, i'm not trying to dodge it. i just think they would both be excellent choices. >> would either one of them get something out of it, in terms of running in four years, like just for having done it for six months? >> both of them, but i think the problem -- each of them have pros and cons. with kathy martin, i think she'd be a great stabilizing force. she's been there. but she was brought on by seth. whether that's fair or not, she was brought on by the gentleman who just got convicted for some very bad things. joe khan -- very qualified, but you look at him and you t