now back to "dateline." >>> for six months, kathy menzes hoped for news, waiting for a calm or a techknock at the door. which if april, 2014, is what happened. >> my heart suffering when they came. i knew right away it wasn't going to be good news. >> reporter: no not good news at all. anaheim police told her that two men, frank canno and steven gordon, were now under arrest for the murder of her daughter and three other young women in orange county. what were you like that night? >> i just wanted to sleep. i wanted to like go to sleep and wake up and pinch myself. >> reporter: and make it a different world? >> exactly. >> reporter: detective julissa trapp wanted to speak with both men, of course. but canno lawyered up, so she tried gordon still in a wheelchair after his bike accident. >> hi, steven, how are you? and i knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview i had done. he's cunning, manipulative. >> reporter: he didn't have to talk to you? >> he did not have to talk to me. >> are you cold? >> if you don't mind. >> reporter: but detective trapp has a way as