phillips'. >>> joining us now are phil rucker for the "washington post," and kathy abradovich.ladies and gentlemen. great to have you here. kathy, give me your sense now, in the democratic race, that will lead to phil's story, give us where you think things stand now between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. >> i don't think it could be any closer. the polls show a couple of points apart. we still have people making up their minds at this point. everything matters. every little thing is going to matter. we talk about whether endorsements matter. usually they don't, but everything matters now. this town hall tonight, you know, nobody can afford to make a single step out of line. and everything matters on the ground game. nobody really knows for sure what that looks like. >> you don't dispute the notion, though, that there's a large enthusiasm gap between the sanders forces and the clinton forces. which may not be decisive, but there is a large gap. >> i think enthusiasm matters only if people don't go out to the caucus. if we have bad weather, you know, and some people think,