just expeditiously but politically in time to have an impact by the 2022 election. >> right, and katie benner, as i'm understanding there's a falling no complaint. there is no nothing that has been ordered. there are not controlling law from the national archives standpoint, katie, is that they're gonna turn it over, right? until a judge tells them to hold their horses. >> yes. and another thing i say is that is correct, and another thing to keep in mind, is that what the committee is seeking to find out is what was happening around the election. because remember, january 6th wasn't attack on the capitol to stop and ride the election, so this is all about conversation, related to the election. the presidential power, one of the is privileged, and one of the things about executive privilege, is that it goes to the actual work of governing. these activities cannot be considered part of what you are doing in your role as the executive branch. so there is a question of whether or not the conversation for the committee is taking to understand actually have to do with donald trump's work is preside

you get to a point where only the most extreme things can force officials to act. >> katie benner, has led the country from before day one in terms of breaking this story. thank you for your time tonight. third or fourth inning and a long way to go. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >>> we have more to come tonight. stay with us. to meco tonight. stay with us bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with voltaren arthritis pain gel my husband's got his moves back. an alternative to pain pills voltaren is the first full prescription strength gel for powerful arthritis pain relief... voltaren the joy of movement >> tech: when you get a chip in your windshield... trust safelite. this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really?

you get to a point where only the most extreme things can force officials to act. >> katie benner, has the country from before day one in terms of breaking this story. thank you for your time tonight. third or fourth inning and a long way to go. this is a fascinating day, katie. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >>> we have more to come tonight. stay with us. >>> any day now we are expecting the facebook whistle-blower, the former senior facebook employee who came forward this week, we are expecting her to meet with the committee investigating the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol. this was first reported by cnn. what's relevant here is that part of what frances haugen testified about this week was that facebook has pretty effective technical ways to limit the use of facebook for incitement to violence and deliberate misinformation. she testified facebook used those limits, they put those in place in the lead-up to the 2020 election. according to her testimony and documents she took with her when she left the company, she says facebook decided soon after the election that it no lo

katie benner is here. also joining us, harry will itman, and jonathan lemere is here. katie, this is your reporting. it is shocking in an era when the blueprint for a coup is something that was described by republican adam kinzinger and just about every detail that has become public since that label was slapped on it details a very meticulously plotted and planned coup attempt. this was the piece that the justice department was to carry out in that architecture. and in the end, they refuse. explain. >> sure. so, to your point, this was something happening across the administration where pressure was being placed upon officials in several different places that to do something that would we legitimatize president biden's win and allow trump to hold onto power at least for several months as public faith in the election was thrown into disarray, as people stopped believing the results and chaos would ensue. at the justice department it is clear from the transcripts of interviews from the senate judiciary committee that were released today that officials felt this pressure.

joining us are a justice reporter for the new york times, katie benner and cecelia kong, -- cecilia kangco-author of a paper. i feel like i'm at the new york times d.c. euro. -- bureau. there was a formal blocking of these initial documents by the biden white house, what is the thinking behind this? nancy: we know they are thinking because the white house counsel said point-blank the president leaves that president trump tried to exert executive privilege here is not in the best interest of the united states. they called it unique and extraordinary circumstances. they say president trump does not have any basis to hide visitor logs, cl logs from january 6. there are a lot of people in his orbit, republicans on capitol hill who do not want those cold logs to be made public at this is the biden white house doing what it has been signposted for weeks, saying we would love nothing more than for that information to get to the public because we think have -- but what happened generally six was terrible and needed to be prevented. yamiche: they have been saying it is a stain on american democra

katie benner is also here. and robert costa joins us, national political reporter for the "washington post" and coauthor the already quoted from book, "peril". robert costa, i start with you. you had this eastman memo in your book. to be honest it took all of us i think a couple news cycles to really digest it and understand its import. talk about eastman's posture since he's been outed at the architect of the coup. >> as bob woodward told me at the start this project, get the documents. because people can have a lot of talk, whether it is john eastman or anyone else who is close to president trump or even president biden. and documents memorialize decisions and discussions. eastman memo is two pages, sick parts. it outlines in vivid detail how pence n the eyes of eastman could try to nudge the election into the house of representatives and have trump win a second term. eastman has scland himself in so many ways since the book has come out and the memo has been revealed that are confusing, to be frank. at the e

katie benner is a justice department reporter for the new york times. >>> democrats face the task of how to move forward with the biden economic agenda amid differences of opinion within the party and nearly blanket opposition from the republicans. the president says the build back better plan to invest money in universal pre-k and expanded medicare may have to fall below the desired $3.5 trillion price tag to get it passed in tandem with the bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> i'm convinced we will get it done. not get $3.5 trillion. we will get less than that. we will get it and come back and get the rest. >> that difficult question facing democrats is what stays and what goes if they are bringing the total value of the bill down. joining me now is the democratic congresswoman of washington state. she is the co-chair of the progressive caucus and member of the judiciary committee. we discussed this issue last week. i think you basically had suggested that it can come down a little bit. there are some things in there that should not be interested in negotiating or shortening or under

katie. better new york times justice report -- cents before day one. miss bennerking time to be here and understand this reporting. it remains one of the most amazing stories of her time. >> thanks for having me. >> in terms of this internal report, by the judiciary committee, how far along should we see that in terms of what they're trying to figure out? what materials they want access to? and what they still want to get? >> not really a sports person, from what i know about baseball, i would say we're in the third or fourth inning. they still really want to speak with jeff clark for example. who is someone who's not responded to any of their requests. as you can see from this report, we have a really full picture of what the experience was like on the justice department side, how they felt getting these requests from the white house, to help up and the results of the election. but what's their testimony, their notes, their extensive handwritten notes, emails and other documents, show is that they were never quite sure what was going on at the white house. they w

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