"new york times" report and msnbc contributor katie benner. you're right that the democrats hope the justice department will continue its look into the insurrection. trump's applies, they are proving pretty adept at avoiding it, at avoiding providing testimony and offering up what the committee needs. >> so i think that we need to separate the work of the committee from the work of the justice department. they're two very different things. you're right, in terms of what the committee's doing in subpoenaing people and asking for documents, there are some witnesses like roger stone who pled the fifth. there are others like mark meadows who say they will not come in to provide testimony at all. however, the committee is asking a wide swath of people and a wide swath of companies for information. so the committee can actually do its work without some of those people testifying. this is not a criminal investigation on the part of the committee. the committee is trying to put together the most complete picture of what led to the january 6th attack a

and katie benner, a "new york times" reporter and msnbc contributor. how close are we to figuring out the lead-up to january 6th and how to prevent it from happening going forward? >> well, i think there's been considerable progress on the second half of that question, yasmin, in terms of what can be done sort of at a tactical level at the capitol to prevent this from happening again. in terms of figuring out exactly what happened on january 6th, you know, i think there's been some progress. the text messages you mentioned earlier are certainly enlightening and suggest that the house investigation is getting some traction in obtaining information about what happened. but there are still a lot of puzzles left here, in particular surrounding president trump himself. we know about these texts that people were trying to urgently reach him through mark meadows. what we still don't know is what was president trump doing. there have been some sketchy reports that he was watching tv and seemed satisfied or happy with what was going on. but we have yet to get r

katy benner, it's an amazing piece of reporting. i'm going to ask you to take us through it. my first thought was that in some ways it -- it bookends two other points of sort of public-facing information about what this committee has. one is luke broadwater's great reporting shortly after the insurrection about a half a dozen republican members who had known associations and appearances with some of the very same extremist groups who are under scrutiny, many of those members have been charged. and the other being the text messages themselves that liz cheney read and that you and your colleagues obviously had some access to. tell me about what this piece of reporting adds to our understanding. >> so between the reporting that luke had done, other reporters, and then of course the documents that were turned over to the committee, we were able to start making inquiries about just how deep the ties between some of the members, the freedom caucus and these efforts to what they called stop the steal, you know, how deep the ties really were. of course we saw in the moment after the

josh garcia, luke broadwater, katie benner thank you for all your incredible reporting on this. >>> coming up next congressman juaqim castro helped indict trump on his part in the capitol, but first, richard louie with the headlines. >>> west virginia senator joe manchin now says he cannot support the senate spending bill, after much negotiation with democrats on the hill. saying his actions were at odds with the president, the white house staff and his own public utterances, end quote. >>> death toll from super typhoon rai continues to rise, the typhoon earlier this year, killed at least 130 people. and senators elizabeth warren and cody booker tested positive for covid-19, though say their cases are mild. >>> reports on the attack on the capitol, more after the break. re capitol, more after the break. wrinkles send the wrong message. help prevent them with downy wrinkleguard. feel the difference with downy. (vo) subaru and our retailers believe in giving back. that's why, in difficult times, we provided one hundred and fifty million meals to feeding america. and now through the subaru sh

katie benner follows the criminal charges.philip rucker the white house bureau chief for the washington post. they both join me now. i've got to say, let me start with you philip, this entire dynamic is a little bit of a head-scratcher. i mean, meadows writes a book with a startling, shocking revelation. that the president tested positive for covid 60s before announcing it. spent six days circulating among people, very strong circumstantial evidence that he was the patient zero for the white house cluster. and was at a debate. and what did you think was going to happen, buddy? and trump blurb say, another all angry about it. how did this come about? how did this come about? >> chris, that's not even the worst of. it because meadows in his book also reports about trump's basic lack of strength. his physical condition when he had covid. how he was in the hospital in a t-shirt with his here messed up and his face a very peculiar few. i'm completely out of energy and feeling like he didn't have the strength to get out of bed. at h

matt miller and katie benner i appreciate your analysis tonight. thank you so much.en we come back, of the most jaw-dropping moment of the contempt vote, the mark meadows, the fox news hosts who are texting meadows in a panic during january 6th attack, and you might be surprised to. we'll get to it all right after. this don't go away. is don't go away age before beauty? why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond. from one moment to the next, our kids become the most important part of our lives. and even though the years pass, that never changes. we never stop worrying about them. that's why it's important to have health insurance. with covered california, we got a plan we could afford. it includes free preventive care, like cholesterol and blood-pressure checkups. because even though they grow up, they'll always be your baby. covered california. this way to health insurance. enroll by december 31st at coveredca.com. the evidence that the january six committee laid out tonight against former white house chief of st

also joining us, katie benner, new york times justice reporter and tim miller.eporting for me brought jeffrey clark to light and life. tell me the significance of his now sort of being at this intersection of a 1/6 committee perfectly willing to refer him to the justice department. >> sure, so i think there's a lot of significance in this contempt vote. jeffrey clark, he was an official during this time after the election when it seemed trump was trying to overturn the results. if he has held in contempt, it will send a really strong message to this very long list of people that the committee has already said, has already requested come in. another way as well. he was a former justice department official. so this would be the department saying one of our own has really done something wrong and i think that that is a line that congress has asked the justice department to lay down again and again and now we're just starting to see that happen. >> neil, talk about jeffrey clark. it's not hyperbole anymore to describe him as sort of the coup plotter at doj. >> i thi

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