and katie benner, is the reporter for the new york times. welcome to all of. you good to have you here. yamiche, let's start with you. we're going to hear for the president tomorrow, the president has given us a preview. they say that they are going to lay the blame for january six squarely at donald trump's feet. but this is a tough line for the president who got elected. he ran and got elected on the idea that he is going to be a unifying near of some sorts. >> that is right ali. but when it comes to january six president biden has always been crystal clear. he saw the attack on the capital as a state on our democracy. he sees it as a real threat to american democracy. and he has always said that the people who are responsible should be held accountable. he has been very clear that he wants to be independent of the department of justice's investigation. but we can expect that tomorrow on the anniversary of this terrible day where we saw white supremacists and all sorts of hate groups and all sorts of people who were fueled by the lies fell to them by the for

joining me now is katie benner, pulitzer prize winning reporter. the good news out of all of this is the stuff you cover, the preservation of democracy and the role that the january 6th events played in it, is top of mind for a lot of americans. this has been a remarkable week for the investigation into january 6th. i almost need to ask you on a sunday morning what stands out to you? >> one of the things that stands out is the committee is continuing to subpoena people closer to the president's inner circle, including his daughter ivanka trump and this puts her into an interesting position. she's trying to say she's one of the family members who wants to uphold the rule of law, what who was against the january 6th attack and wanted to support any sort of investigation, whether or not she testifies will be a big sort of answer to how much she wants to do all those things. if she does so, it would create a rift with her father, if she doesn't, it would take a key witness out of the january 6th investigation. she was there when the president was tryin

first to you, katie benner. on the indictment itself, talk about its significant. >> sure, this is an extremely significant indictment. the most serious charges brought in the january 6th investigation and also shows what happens when the justice department does its work slowly and thoroughly. there was a lot of criticism levied over the justice department over the past year for not bringing this kind of charge. we know that through our reporting and through public statements made by former officials under the trump administration this sedition was on the table almost immediately after the attack. however, the case had to build over time. we know that last year there were people, oath keepers that we saw in earlier indictments who were being looked at for sedition charges. but this indictment is interesting because it includes stewart rhodes who was not somebody who was part of the earliest discussion. clearly, the department had worked vigorously over the last year in order to try to gather as much evidence as

also with us, katie benner, "new york times" justice department reporter and jeremy is still here. tributors. katie, i start with you. lisa has been around government a very long time. chooses her words carefully. that said, weren't a lot of ways to answer that question. how did you decipher her response? >> i felt she wanted to be honest. she came on to talk about gun violence and rising crime. obviously, their reporters are very, very good and evan perez asked the question on everyone's mind. the documents are public, what will they do about it. there was little she could do expect say she could not speak about an ongoing investigation. but even that reveals the fact there's an investigation. and because this is not a plan that people never hatched and act td upon. they did act upon it. they created false documents and submitted them to the national archives. so there's a lot there for the justice department and what would be strange for investigators not to look at such activity. >> i believe and anyone of you jump in and correct me if i have this wrong, but i believe this is the

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joining me now is "new york times" justice department reporter and msnbc contributor, katie benner and university of michigan law professor and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, she's also an msnbc legal analyst. a lot of recommendations on what the capitol police needed to do. what are you expecting to hear today? >> you know, i think we're going to expect to hear more about -- more questions about were the capitol police prepared enough, what could be done in the future? can the capitol police rectify those mistakes and also i think we might hear about some of the long-term impacts. we have stories coming out talking extensively about how the capitol police, many people on that force, several suffer from trauma that reverberating a year later, and how is that exacerbated by the fact that there are many people in america who don't believe the attack was serious or don't believe the way it occurred was accurately portrayed in the press. >> there's also going to be a news conference tomorrow from attorney general merrick garland, and there's been a lot of pressure to more forcefully

she covers the white house, garrett haake on capitol hill, ellison barber outside the capitol, katie benner covers the justice department for "the new york times", phil rucker senior washington correspondent for the "washington post," eugene daniels co-author of the "politico" playbook and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times." monica, let's start with the president. how is he going to approach this one? >> he's going to mark, of course, the solemn anniversary, steph, but instead of making this all about looking backward the president is also going to be talking about what lies ahead and the danger that still lingers from everything that took place on that day a year ago. he will talk about how dark it was, he will honor, of course, those who lost their lives, but he's also going to very clearly call out his predecessor, the former president, and talk about the responsibility that donald trump has for what took place on january 6th, and he's not going to mince any words there, even though he may not reference him by name it will be very clear we're told by wh

she covers the white house, garrett haake on capitol hill, ellison barber outside the capitol, katie bennerpolitico" playbook and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times." monica, let's start with the president. how is he going to approach this one? >> he's going to mark, of