. >> it's actually katie kessner. >> thank you.night and rape survivor jessica brown. your reaction to attorney tim jansen's interview. wendy, how did you see it? >> look, did he not tell the truth consistently at all. and i think it was pretty shocking, frankly, to hear him misstate such important evidence. let me say one simple thing. i've been doing this work for decades. when someone reports that a serious crime happened and there is no motive to lie, which apparently everybody agrees is true here -- there's no motive for the victim to lie -- and she reports it right away and the perpetrator takes the fifth, i would say already we've got a big thumb on the scale in favor of the victim. what we also have here, as you pointed out -- you also pointed out very emphatically, as well you should, when it's a big football school or division i or ivy league school, you have to be extra deferential to the victim. why? it happens more at those schools and disproportionately by athletes and we know 5% of victims report. the ones that do co