stuart: katie mcfarland with me.atie, if the russians attacked nato territory, how do you think america should respond? >> well, you know, we're members of nato alliance and if russia starts attacks alliance members, our nato members, we have no choice but to defend nato. now, what i'm worried about in all this is as putin gets increasingly desperate, marco rubio is right and putin is really desperate and could get more desperate and he knows he cannot stay in power or even stay alive if he has to come back in defeat from ukraine. he can escalate by cutting the fiberoptic underwater cables like that i can sabotaged the pipeline and could use tactical nuclear weapons and he has an adviseerer general saying use biological tactical nuclear weapons and there's sights in the -- sites in nato countries resupplying ukraine. if we're not thinking this through right, we could slide ourselves in a war that nobody wants except maybe vladamir putin, a war between nato and russia. stuart: but at the same time conservatives in the

former national security advisor katie mcfarland on that. >> it is pretty simple.hey had a bunch of reasons to do it. it was going down after its initial spike. by doing this, they shop the price of oil backup. what does that do? it makes russia rich again. it shows them that we can blow up these gas pipelines. what is next? fiber-optic cables. we can shutdown europeans communication system. you may not want to support ukraine. >> that is scary. i want you to react to that. she says it is russia, what do you say to that? >> why would they sabotage when they already control the flow of the supply. we already saw them haul exports they did the same thing via another pipeline to poland and bulgaria. why would they do that? biden on camera previously saying that if russia was to invade ukraine that they wouldn't. we also have secretary lincoln taking a victory lap more or less saying this is a tremendous way to reduce the pendant on russia. i think it is a problem with where we are today. i don't trust putin a war our administration. i don't trust biden. i don't trust

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