the editor of townhall.com, katie pavlich, commentator run fox news contributor rachel campos duffy and joining us today on the couch, fox news political analyst and cohost of the five, juan williams. and you are outnumbered. >> juan: i'm delighted to be here. so much news on a foggy date in new york city. >> harris: we are actually celebrating fog. controversy over something president trump reportedly said during a meeting on immigration in the oval office. sources telling fox news the president use usable code language while questioning why the united states would accept immigrants from countries including haiti and some african nations. sources close to the president telling fox news the president was making a case for accepting more highly skilled immigrants, but the reports prompting major backlash. haitian-american republican congresswoman released a statement saying the reported remarks were "unkind, divisive, elitist, and flying in the face of our nation's values. this behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation." the president tweeted this. "the language used by me a

. >> harris: katie pavlich on the couch today.nother fabulous journalist has been watching twitter. this is from the rnc chair woman ronna mcdaniel praying for everyone involved in today's train accident in virginia. you know, everybody has their vantage point of pictures and whatnot, too. that's a way for us to scoop things up. katie, thank you very much. you know, kennedy, you and i have been on the couch many times when stuff like this has happened as well. you talk about the equipment and the infrastructure. what are your thoughts? i mean, we don't have details about the actual track line here. overall, i know you have talked with members of the nbc. have you donntsb. have you done work on this. >> interesting to see where this goes politically. interesting to see what senator paul thinks about this. components on big government spending on infrastructure who will say this just proves that we have to invest more money in safety equipment and track overhaul and things like that. and then have you others who say perhaps there is

chris bedford and katie pavlich. it's a deal going to get done? >> it's not looking too good for a deal right now. both of them want a deal, both the g.o.p. and democrats. they don't want to have a problem with the dreamers and they want to get it through. both sides are citing as absolute negotiable. but a change in chain migration, border security, awol. sometimes some things the g.o.p. democrats say wait a minute, both sides are using this as a political football. right now people are calling each other racist left and right. >> sandra: unlikely of bipartisan deal gets done. capri cafaro. saying a deal is still possible? listen. >> if the president said what he said as far as you get me something on a bipartisan way, get me something and i will sign it. we hope to get it done and move on. all the hype going on around it is unbelievable to me. >> sandra: where do you fall on this, capri? >> i usually tend to agree with west virginia senator joe manchin. he and i come from the same part of the country. i approach things in a no-nonsense kind of w

katie pavlich, rob mosque and editor-in-chief of "reason" magazine cat rip mangu-ward. -- katherine mangu-ward. there are concerns civil libertarians have about intelligence communities assistant overreach and abuse. but here you have two people in a romantic relationship exchanging texts messages. you should be able to do that. but why are so many months of those text messages missing, and the ones we have, what do they tell us? >> it would be one thing if one of them was in charge an intelligence section of the fbi. he wasn't just an agent it's one thing to have a personal rip-off their government phones. but it's another to be coordinating with the department of justice about potentially taking down a presidential candidate. when they talk about in these messages loretta lynch potentially knowing hillary clinton would get off charges before her interview. that means on that tarmac meeting she night, too. because these text messages were sent far before that. there are questions about the doj's role and there needs to be accountability for what happened. kennedy: it's weird that you have got

kitt -- katie pavlich brought ua good point. if hillary clinton were president how offensive would those questions have been. are you ready, steve hilton? >> i was hoping this would happen. kennedy: count down from 100, subtracting 7 each time. go. what? kennedy: very good. 89, 72. 65. kennedy: that's it. >> i was just going to say. kennedy: stay out of the white house. >> stay out of public, stay home. kennedy: i'll give you three word pairs and you tell me what they have in common. orange and banana. kennedy: train and bicycle. >> watch and ruler. >> two measurement devices. kennedy: lawrence, i'm going to give two sentences and i wants to you repeat them word for word. are you impaired? >> i don't -- kennedy: i only know that john is the one to help today. >> i only know that john is the one to help today. kennedy: very good. we have one more. the cat always hid under the couch when dogs were in room. >> the cat always hid under the couch when the dogs were in room. kennedy: i didn't say the room. i said room. you did it righ

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sandra smith, lisa kennedy, katie pavlich and pete hegseth.nd a salute from the veterans, welcome. >> pete: the games were rough yesterday for minnesota fans. >> harris: i thought all

>> kimberly: i am kimberly guilfoyle with juan williams, jesse watters, katie pavlich and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five" ." we are waiting on the president's fake news awards and has relations with the press are more contentious than ever. >> mr. president, did you say you want more people to come in from norway? >> thank you very much. >> is that true, mr. president? >> i want them to come in from everywhere, everywhere. thank you, every one. >> just caucasian or white countries or other parts of the world where there are people of color? >> kimberly: we are not sure what to expect but something is planned and we are going to give an eye on. some members of the president's own party are taking him to task for attacks on the press. john mccain wrote an op op-ed d jeff flake offer this. >> the enemy of the people was how the president of the united states called the free press in 2017. mr. president , it is a testamt to the condition of our democracy that our own president uses words infamously spoken by joseph stalin to describe his enemies. when a figu

tomorrow on the show congressman matt gates and katie pavlich and charles payne.egular old dad... >> all he said was, "who's gonna buy something from bill wagner?" >> turned art scene heavyweight. >> he went from very clean-cut to start wearing brighter-colored shirts, and then his hair grew long. >> how important a name is he? >> there are no comparables. >> he leaves behind a puzzle. >> oh, the sun is shining. or it's an egg. are you sure these go together? >> it's always a mystery. >> this is all your dad's? >> it's a very small portion of the art that he produced. >> how do you handle an 8-ton inheritance? >> every single day, i've thought, "what am i going to do with it?" [ door creaks ] [ wind howls ] [ thunder rumbles ] [ bird caws ]

>> harris: i haven't seen katie pavlich roll her eyes like that since we ran out of anniversary cake. know that the media overplays things and focuses on all the wrong things. the white house press corps asks all the wrong questions that focus on what america doesn't care about. that's absolutely true. if you look at what steve bannon allegedly said in this book, what he has been saying in previous interviews for the past six months and you read every word of the statement that was september out not just by every person in the white house comms department yesterday but the rnc as well as a coordinated effort to say steve bannon is done with the party. we don't want him involved i think it's really hard to say that this is being ginned up by the media. it's just not the case. >> ginned up isn't the right term. regular americans not hyper focused on politics and media as we are who don't live and breathe this stuff all day every day. what they care about is border security. >> katie: of course. >> wages rising fast. stock market at it 25,000. that's what they truly care about. they know

. >> kimberly: i am kimberly guilfoyle with juan williams, jesse watters, katie pavlich and greg gutfeld0 in new york city and this is "the five" ." we are waiting on the president's fake news awards and has relations with the press are more contentious than ever. >> mr. president, did you say you want more people to come in from norway? >> thank you very much. >> is that true, mr. president? >> i want them to come in from everywhere, everywhere. thank you, every one. >> just caucasian or white countries or other parts of the world where there are

the editor of town hall.com, katie pavlich and joining us today outnumbered we say former utah congressman fox news contributor jason

here today harris faulkner, the editor of town hall.com katie pavlich.host after the bell melissa francis and joining us today on the couch is the host of the next revolution and former chief strategist for british prime minister david cameron steve hilton is here all the way fro

the editor of townhall.com, katie pavlich.mer deputy spokesperson marie harf and joining us on the couch today, to senator mitch mcconnell, josh holmes is here and he is outnumbered. a name your former boss, one has been a lot lately. >> harris: had a good week. we have a lot to get to so good to have

joining me tonight, my party panel, a fox news contributor, katie pavlich and robbie suave and formerew york congresswoman, member of the board of directors, nan ha hayworth. welcome everyone. katie, doug joins is in a precurious spot. >> he is. kennedy: the people of alabama are, a vast majority of them are republicans. they don't want him to act like a democrat or in the democratic party's best interest. but it doesn't do him a lot of good to thumb his noise at his party so what does he do. >> think of the people who wrote in another can date. 23,000. those are votes that would probably go to a republican if it were someone besides roy moore who was running. in a reelection campaign doug jones is going to have to think about what he does over the next couple of months. can he come to the table and work with the president on a number of issues. one thing that the alabama voters don't like about him is he is an extremist on abortion. that's not on the docket this year. welfare reform is on the docket and -- kennedy: can he vote like a blue dog? >> i think he can. he has the leeway and

let's discuss it and more with fox news contributor and editor at town hall, katie pavlich and philippe, former advisor to secretary of state hillary clinton. we heard all of us ahead of time, he will be a ..me, he will be a relieved and fancy pants, they won't like him and his diet cokes and rambling around. this is what bloomberg said today, they say that it was a scene more reminiscent of president donald trump's own cabinet meetings than a staid form of global leaves and this swiss alps. trump at a table of top executives, holding court as they took turns trying to impress him, philippe. >> if you have to be the bowl of a china shop, you have to be the ball. they did a few things that were smart. first, the sheer act of going. for the minute they took off yesterday, that was smart. go right to the valley of the elitist beast. two, the clip you just showed was very savvy of them because unlike most bilateral meetings are multilateral, foreign, organizational meetings, these had global business meters and i gave him an opportunity to talk about his economic messages ande could not sit

katie pavlich. news editor at townhall.com. >> a 55 minute pool spray. pretty rare.t's easier to do the reporting when you get to sit in the room and hear the negotiations. i would take more of these. fascinating discussion because you see that on immigration which is this really sensitive, very emotional topic, there actually are the broad outlines of an agreement. there have been for years. when you get beyond these top blind talking points, border security. to democrats and republicans, border security can mean very different things. you talk about comprehensive immigration reform. whether that would mean citizenship or legal status. the president is not wrong when he says he could see the outlines of a deal here but getting through the details of this on a potential short-term package that could address daca and border security and on a longer-term comprehensive package, there's a lot to work through. >> bret: he said whatever you all come up with, i'm going to sign even if i don't totally agree. >> republican leaders are paralyzed with fear over alienated the ba

the editor of townhall.com, katie pavlich. former deputy spokesperson marie harf and joining us on the couch today, to senator mitch mcconnell, josh holmes is here and he is outnumbered. a name your former boss, one has been a lot lately. >> harris: had a good week. we have a lot to get to so good to have you. attorney general jeff sessions the first member of president trump's cabinet known to be interviewed by muller's team. last month, sessions recused himself of the russia investigation and eventually his deputy rod rosenstein appointed mueller to oversee the probe. chief house correspondent john roberts joins us with more. >> good news hour to everybody out there. this is the highest ranking member of the trump administration who has been interviewed by the special counsel's office so far for the most part, it's all been staff current and former but this now takes it up to the cabinet level. we are told of the interview took place sometime within the last week to ten days. lasted several hours. among the topics that he wo

editor of townhall.com, katie pavlich. a border state but you've done so much reporting on the border, what's your thought about this? >> i know the criticism is that it's heartless, it looks terrible to have i.c.e. agents going to private businesses in the dark of night. but if you look at it from the administration's perspective and the justice department's perspective, they want to apply immigration law equally across the board, whether it means targeting employers, or whether it's people crossing the border. when you have states like california saying they are going to be a sanctuary state, saying we are protecting people with criminal records, they don't really have a choice but to go into these places because the local law enforcement is not cooperating with them to do it in a more open and honest way. >> harris: the first crime was being here illegally. i took such heat on twitter when i said that but it's true. there may be other crimes and what you're saying is because of the magnet of some of the sanctuary jurisd

katie pavlich at townhall.com. interesting column today about the next steps in this situation. what about what the trump administration is doing now? >> so far, so good. it's good to see the president is bringing attention to it and ignoring the advice of some of the obama administration alumni to be quiet. this has got to be the beginning. we should be realistic. i hope the regime fall tomorrow but at the same time, we should prepare for this to be the beginning of a longer process. i think that would mean hopefully this department will begin to compile names of people who have been arrested, publicized the names in farsi, and i think it's an opportunity for barack obama who was a lot of time on his hands right now to become kind of a leader of western solidarity. no american is going to lead this iran freedom movement. that's for the iranians but there are things that a charismatic figure, ex-president like barack obama can do to call attention to their plight, lead boycotts of businesses that do businesses with

the editor of townhall.com, katie pavlich, commentator run fox news contributor rachel campos duffy andoining us today on the couch, fox news political analyst and cohost of the five, juan williams. and you are outnumbered. >> juan: i'm delighted to be

. >> harris: one of the things that katie pavlich said as she sat on the very seat yesterday was covering the president at times a little confusing because they'll be told on and off the record back and forth. so she said you really have to be paying attention. that's not what this was though. this was access and marie, i'm going to ask you to lean in on your nonpartisan if you can experience and just talk to me about how these kinds of things happen. how do they play out at those higher levels? the request again, the interview process. >> marie: it is a staffing issue. in some of them are outsiders but think about when wolff started to gain access, sean spicer was still there, reince priebus was still there, people who have dealt with reporters for decades and they should know that when a reporter comes to you or an author comes to you and ask for access to any principal weather at the president, secretary of state, asked to come in and interview people, you have to assume that everything is on the record. unless you make it explicitly clear that it's not. i know that sounds. >> kennedy:

. >> sandra: here with more, katie pavlich. news editor for townhall.com. tammy bruce is a columnist for the washington times in a radio talk show host. mo elleithee is a former dnc spokesman. if all are fox news contributor's and two of the ladies are upset with me tonigh tonight. we will get to you next, but i will start with you katie because the lawyer that uses in his piece, she says that this can be a very dangerous environment and his reporting is showing hundreds of thousands of dollars chasing down these victims. >> it can be a very dangerous situation if you have a powerful man going after a woman who feels like she doesn't have any say in her work environment. she may feel like she needs some of those protections. if you follow money trail here, all of the things that are being accused, the allegations that are brought up are questioned and what this does is it gives powerful men who have done bad things a way out they can look at it and say they are being paid to come all this money is coming through, this is only about politics and therefore we

i'm sandra smith and here today there she is harris faulkner, the editor of town hall.com katie pavlich. former deputy spokesperson

the editor of town hall.com katie pavlich. and joining us today outnumbered we say.ormer secret service agent. former nypd officer and host of the dan bongino show, dan bongino is here on our show. >> happy to be here. always love it. >> harris: great to see you. we have a lot that's in your wheel house there. >> do we ever. so let's jump into it. shall we? at a news conference wednesday president trump made new remarks about special counsel robert mueller's investigation. he insisted there was no collusion between his campaign and russia. watch. >> there is collusion but it's really with the democrats and the russians far more than it is with the republicans and the russians. so the witch-hunt continues. there was absolutely no collusion. everybody knows it every committee i have been in office now for 11 months. for 11 months they have had this phony cloud over this administration, over our government. and it has hurt our government. it does hurt our government. it's a democrat hoax that was brought up as an excuse for losing an election that frankly the democrats

the editor of town hall.com, katie pavlich and joining us today outnumbered we say former utah congressman and fox news contributor jason chaffetz is here. welcome. happy new year jaso. >> happy new year. what is the official date you stop saying happy new year. >> harris: takes to me like june. >> happy new year. >> harris: thank you. let's get to the news a lot happening on capitol hill as you know. the senate is reconvening as i mentioned at any moment now. vice president mike pence is going to swear in alabama senator elect doug jones and minnesota senate appointee tina smith. jones beat republican candidate roy moore as you know for the seat vacated by jeff sessions. smith was appointed to replace al franken. today mick mulvaney and white house legislative affairs director marc short will head to capitol hill to meet with the top four congressional leaders. this is the other big story of the day. they are planning to talk about immigration reform. government funding, you know so, we don't face a shut down deja vu and other issues facing congress. the white house says government fundin

here today harris faulkner, the editor of town hall.com katie pavlich. co-host after the bell melissa francis and joining us today on the couch is the host of the next revolution and former chief strategist for british prime minister david cameron steve hilton is here all the way from the west coast. we love to have you. >> steve: it's so great to be here. it's been a while. i was just saying i haven't been on the couch since you have had palatial new surroundings. >> harris: we haven't had a revolution since you left. bring it on a wednesday. steve: we will do our best. >> melissa: do you know he doesn't have a phone? i don't even know what to do. steve: ditch the bannon topic. >> melissa: blows my mind. i have my pen stuck in my pocket. >> harris: i have seen you take notes while people are talking. fascinating. >> sandra: let's get started. lawmakers are try going to try to get answers out of chief white house strategist steve bannon tomorrow. this after more than 10 hours yesterday as part of their probe into russian election interference. there was

sandra smith, lisa kennedy, katie pavlich and pete hegseth. and a salute from the veterans, welcome. >> pete: the games were rough yesterday for minnesota fans. >> harris: i thought all the games were great, i thought jacksonville played well. the vikings scored first. >> pete: we've all changed diapers in our lives. that was better than watching the game. >> kennedy: thank you for that visual, good to see you there. >> harris: on my instagram page, photo of you doing skol. senators need 60 votes to breaa filibuster. for now, we are on day three of the actual shutdown and republican senator of texas as the effects are starting to sho show. >> the shutdown is beginning to have its most dramatic affect, not only for military and the children's health insurance but the federal workers who are uncertain about what their future is and my hope is that senator schumer and democrats realize that this is not a hostage that they want to take. >> harris: president trump tweeted this, great to see how hard republicans are fighting for our military and saf

i'm sandra smith and here today there she is harris faulkner, the editor of town hall.com katie pavlich is here. former deputy spokesperson for the state department marie harf and joining us today on the couch fox news politics editor of halftime report chris stirewalt here. he is outnumbered and you never know what you are going to get when stirewalt sits on the couch. should be a good hour. >> enthusiastic gratitude. start with that thank you for having me. >> harris: on fire. >> sandra: we look forward to the hour. let's get it started. unilateral move diane spine stein released the tringted of her committee's interview with glenn simpson the co-founder of fusion gps. the firm that was behind the anti-trump dossier. republican committee chairman chuck grassley saying while they will continue to work together is he disappointed and that the release could hurt their investigation going forward. >> guys, its did create some problems. for instance, when you are getting people to voluntarily come to you. it make a lot of people a lot more reserve about whether they want to cooperate. and

come on in, katie pavlich, fox news contributor. >> good morning.tuart: the director of the fbi saw the memo, went back to fbi headquarters promptly got rid of andrew mccabe. that tells me there is dynamite in this memo. what say you. >> timing is not coincidence. he said mccabe was retiring in march and running out the clock to get all his benefits. good that fbi director christopherway is cleaning house. we need to see the memo. at this point republicans put money where their mouth is, talking about it, voting to have it released. we'll see what the president does. we'll see what democrats do too comparing two memos if we see both of them. stuart: dynamite, isn't it? this is dynamite material. >> i haven't seen exactly what is in it. i don't want to speculate about the exact details and facts but based on what we've been told by republicans, the fact they're going to release it, i don't believe they are saying these things are extreme if they actually aren't. we more than likely are going to see it. on the reform side, republicans have to walk the

mary anne marsh, katie pavlich, ladies, good morning to both of you. did you guys watch? ched until 9:00 and shut it off. apparently i thought it was pretty tame until 9:00, katie. i woke up this morning and i missed a ton. here is what i think. this gets tired. >> uh-huh. it gets very old. predictable. look, here is the problem with this. the entire grammys seen last night was all about the time's up movement. artists wearing white roses to show they're all against sexual harassment and enabling of that sexual harassment. here we are with hillary clinton who made a career out of enabling powerful and abusive men both in her personal life and the state department reading from a book by michael wolff who just last week falsely smeared ambassador nikki haley and said she had an affair with president trump and therefore that's how she got her job. they are promoting his book on this stage. it proves they're hypocrites, they're self-righteous and that they're completely superficial when it comes to actually taking the times up movement seriously. >> bill: what do you think, ma

katie pavlich, and mary anne marsh. good monday to both of you and happy new year.e can still say that. i don't know what you thought about the stephen miller/jake tapper back and forth. i don't know what you thought about this "newsweek" headline, either. here is how it read. came out over the weekend. trump could destroy the entire human species says a yale psychiatrist who warned congress members. this actually happened with some members of congress. they were told that the commander-in-chief could destroy the human population. how far have we gone? >> look, the yale psychiatrist making this act situation hasn't evaluated president trump. the band of other psychiatrists they've received to deem the president mentally unfit have not evaluated president trump. it is unethical and a violation of all of the standards in the medical community and yet they think it's okay. and it is actually dangerous from their perspective to be doing this. we've been through this before. during the barry goldwater years in 1964 there was a rule by the american psychiatric association

katie pavlich and mary anne marsh. good morning, monday. good day for a shutdown, right? i want to play a clip from mitch mcconnell over the weekend. this is the basis, the foundation for the debate that we're about to have. here is the senate majority leader. >> everyone has figured this out. this shutdown was a political miscalculation of great proportions. >> bill: mary anne, a political miscalculation. has this already backfired on the left? >> no, not at all. when you look at the polling it is clear republicans are paying a bigger price for it than democrats no matter what number you look at, it's an anti-incumbent movement and more republican incumbents than not. the bigger issue is trust. the most fundamental is trust in negotiations. so far it's not just schumer and durbin and the democrats having trouble trusting what donald trump wants, it's mcconnell and graham and the republicans, too. it's hard to see how you can make a deal when one minute trump says one thing and two hours later kelly, miller, mulvaney and others say no, we want something different. >> bill

katie pavlich,ç fox news contributor. shut it down, it is in the national interest to shut down the government to make sure we get military spending and immigration now. do you agree with me. >> i don't know that i agree with you. the essential employees are kept here. military still functions. social security checks still go out. those who don't go to work, federal government employees still get their back pay once the government reopens. when it comes to the specific deal democrats need to be called on their bluff here. i wrote a column for "the hill" last week. everything the president is asking for in exchange for daca deal, chain migration, end to visa lottery program, end to border wall are all things democrats roundly and strongly supported last 30 years, going back to bill clinton and ending at barack obama. chuck schumer, for example, voted for a fence on the southern border. this idea they think they are extreme asks in response to daca it is ridiculous and goes counter to their own word and statements on theç

katie pavlich, fox news contributor, joins us now. it is a revelation.e it like this but now the left is totally split. >> look, there are 44 democrat senators in the senate. 16 of them voted to keep the government closed. that is a third of their party in the senate. that is a problem for them. when you look at the people who are standing up for illegal immigrants over the interests of the americans, it is people who want to run for president in 2020. now the question is, can they win a national election? they're all from states like california, new york, vermont. is that really going to play? they have a big problem on their hands because president trump was able to flip 100 counties from blue to red. meaning from obama to trump. they have to find a way to get back to that, and this is not the way to go, that's for sure. stuart: those moderates, the democrat moderates in the senate, they hold the key to whether we get an immigration deal. they are likely to vote in favor of a deal. i would have thought, you build the wall, keep saying this, endlessly,