that's what happens when a property goes to foreclosure. >> joining us now is congresswoman katie porterfornia. congressman porter, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. what was it like to be speaking to the secretary of housing and urban development and basically having to apparently teach him the elementary aspect specspec job? >> it was disappointing and, frankly, it was frut rastrating. look, these are real people's lives he's supposed to be improving through providing quality housing, affordable housing and fha loans and he doesn't understand, and in fact, he thought it was my job to teach him. you saw the clip where he told me to explain it to him, which obliged him, but he also told me that i was welcomed to come in to hud and explain everything to him and his staff. and this is not my job. it's his job. and i really wish he'd take it seriously for the sake of the american people. >> well, we had reports just from him this week that he has illegally spent $8,000 on a dishwasher for his office. $40,000 in china and dishes and different things for a d

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i haven't heard this sound bite yet, but let's play it. >> i suspect when katie porter was an experts area, things were very different. that's why i invited her to speak with our staff that deals with these so they can bring her up to date. maybe she would then be able to understand what is going on. >> wow. that's remarkable being that we saw in the hearing that it was katie porter who was actually asking him the questions that he didn't know. not the other way around. ben carson has been at the head of hud for two years now and didn't understand a basic term referring to foreclosure. something that is a crucial problem. the disparity between fha borrowers more likely to lose their homes is an important issue. so to suggest that it was the congresswoman is quite the response. >> even part of that response he could have given yesterday. he could have said, that is an interesting topic. we need to talk about it. why don't i bring you in and your staff and have this conversation and see how it goes forward. the key is, every time he seems to be missing the opportunity to actually learn

today she is with katie porter. this is a district that could be an interesting indicator for democrats on the impeachment inner you. so leigh ann, i know you'll have congresswoman porter with you in a second. set the scene. you were in grand rapids for the big justin amash town hall. tell me what's similar, tell me what's different. >> reporter: so, chuck, we chose this town hall because we're in orange county. this is the first time that this district has gone democrat since this district was created in the 1950s, so this is more of a swingy district, more moderate. so we wanted to see what voters here had to say and actually have the congresswoman here with me. she's willing to take a few questions. thank you so much, congresswoman porter. you are a freshman congresswoman. you've come to congress and now you're faced with this question of impeachment. so you have not come out in support of impeachment yet. is that position still hold for you? >> so congress is a dlib afternoon body. so one of the things we're doi

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katie porter, the one you just saw, she's one of the first single moms that came to congress.'s got three kids back home, and she commutes from california. he also took a really dismissive tone toward iana presley, one of the first black women to represent massachusetts. there was a tense standoff between the women in the room who felt they were being treated differently from the men on the panel as well. >> listen, we have a little bit of that. i want to play that sound. then anna, i want to have you comment coming out of it. let's listen first. >> do you believe the substandard housing public conditions pose a risk to tenants' physical, mental, and emotional health? >> you already know the answer to that. >> yes or no. >> you know the answer. >> yes or no. i know the answer. do you know the answer? yes or no? >> reclaiming my time. >> you don't get to do that. >> the time belongs to the gentlelady. >> would you let your grandmother live in public housing? >> you know very well -- >> would you let your grandmother live in public housing? yes or no? under your watch and your h

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. >> four months into her term, katie porter established herself as one of the toughest grill masters in the house. she also questioned treasury secretary steve mnuchin in a hearing this morning. it's good to have you. >> thank you so much. >> we're doing a public service so people can distinguish the two freshmen democratic katies from california who are in the class. let me start with the court victory today. this seems like a big deal. it's your committee that's subpoenaed this. it's the second federal judge in just a few days to say you gotta do this. what's your reaction? >> i think this is definitely the right decision. i think the fact that both this court and the court from earlier in the week really had no problems. these are very well reasoned decisions. the law on this is clear. i think what president trump is going to find no matter how many times he makes these arguments, the courts will do what they are required to do, follow the law and follow precedent. we will see the same when the house goes to enforce to go for trump's tax returns. >> it's not a legal one because it

democratic congresswoman katie porter of california. katie, thank you for being on the show.wers yesterday. you had questions about the numbers of foreclosures and the numbers of people who are being left homeless with terrible credit, their credit practically insurmountably ruined. and is it fair to say the man who heads the department in charge of these issues has no idea what he's doing? >> it appeared to be that way. my questions were serious ones. they weren't designed to be gaudy. i work the for years helping families who faced foreclosures for more than a decade. it's been a well-known problem at the fha, the section of the government designed to help first-time buyers, part of hud, has promises how it services mortgages and helps families in foreclosure. mr. carson did not only not know anything about this but he told me it was my job to explain to him and come to hud and teach his staff and to me that shows a real disrespect for the importance of the his job to the american people. >> how much does this problem have to do with hud then? if they don't know what they'r

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democrat congresswoman katie porter outfront.congresswoman let me just step back to the beginning what was your initial reaction to your exchange with secretary carson. >> i was disappointed. i was asking serious questions about serious problems that americans are facing. the foreclosure rate continues to exist at fha and the foreclosure proceedings and processes have been bad for over 15 years i worked on the issue. i was coming with a series of serious questions and i was hoping to get serious answers. >> so obviously he was not familiar with what r.e.o.'s are. why is that so important? why are they important? he of course is the secretary of housing and urban development. >> one cht things we heard from the secretary today was was a lot of effort to dodge questions and say it's the responsibility of congress or the responsibility of lawmakers. but fha, our nation's prem yerp program for len fog first hadden time home biepers that is 100% with within his responsibility as a result of the question li problems with foerngzs and c

bucarson took the embarrassing moment in stride he thanked democratic congresswoman katie porter in asent her a pack of ors to the office. so he knows his oreos, especially when it comes to the thin ones, the happy birthday flavor, all the different flavors ofreos too apparently. makes up for it in some ways >> for some. it would be funnier if he wasn't a cabinet member >>> the sailors are coming fleet week is kicking off today in new york. the ships will sail up the hudson river and dock for some free public tours this week. the celebrations give the publit an opportunityo meet sailors, marines, and coast guardsmen, and for kids to take tours of the ships. the parade of ships will kick off at noon eastern. fleet week new york is now knits 31st year. >> always such a cool new york moment >>> still to come, return to infinity and beyon we'll have a new look at "toy story 4" and coca-cola is inging back its biggest why new coke is making a comeback today.t first, some birthdays tennis star novak djokovic turns 32 olympic gold medal sed skater apolo anton ohno he's 37 years ol jennifer g

. >> congresswoman katie porter was asking carson about reo which refers to real estate owned properties apparently thought she was talking about oreo like the cookies. >> i'd also like you to get back to me if you don't mind to explain the disparity in reo rates. do you know what an reo is? >> an oreo. >> no, not an oreo. an reo, reo. >> real estate -- >> what's the "o" stand for? >> porter tweeted, quote, he thought i was referring to a chocolate sandwich cookie, no, really. >> carson tried to make light of the moment tweeting this photo and sending oreos to her. the family size pack. double stuffed. >> oo,he double stuffed. >>> at least they didn't think of that song -- ♪ r-e-o-e-o ♪ girl, i want to know you, know you ♪ >> next to a late night scare. >> a mom was home with her two kids near napless when she heard her car's horn honking, the car doors and they opening and closing and found the ford explorer crashed and the culprits were still on the scene. >> so it looks like it's a family of bears that decided to open your car. >> no [ bleep ] way. >> uh-huh. >> uh-huh. >> a family of

house representative katie porter stumped the banker of all bankers when he couldn't explain our chases on entry level bank tellers aren't paid a livable wage during that same hearing representative said the axing asked diamond be. organ chase spent his company's three point seven billion in tax rebates here's what he had. what we've said is that america should have a competitive tax system is to q move long term effect of capital retained in reinvested in the united states which will drive wages and growth for ever that is the benefit it was never meant to be this week or this month or even this year and we also make the point a lot of that benefit will be competed away it will eventually end up in wages or prize to consumers or something like that as we all compete. and showing once again that chasen diamond the bank of the people the chase twitter posted then deleted those monday motivation which included such brilliant advice to those with low bank balances as make coffee at home taking cabs you know and eat food you already have in your fridge. power sharing from the very best who

thanks, katie porter. enjoying a few posthearing snacks. sending some your way. what a hoot, right?rst time before the house committee befo democrats took control of congress. at one point, he didn't seem to know about an office that was under his own management. >> are you familiar with omwe. >> amway? >> come on, mr. secretary. i mentioned this last year. office of minority inclusion. do you have a director? >> i cannot give you the name. >> i don't mean to laugh. is this happening? oreo. amway? it's called the office of diversity and inclusion. when another democrat, diana presley, questioned his credentials. he is a surgeon but has no relevant experience, though. >> you're not here as a doctor or our surgeon general, which might be better suited for your talents. but as the task of leading the agency over our housing stock, and for that, i do believe you are unqualified. >> then, she pushed him on conditions in public housing. >> yes or no, if left unaddressed, because they are unaddressed, because the budget doesn't reflect the need, do you think this poses a risk to mental hea

housing and urban development secretary ben carson got confused yesterday being questioned by katie porterhungry take a look. jo i would like you to explain the edition part in reo rates. >> oreo? >> not an oreo reo. reo. >> real estate -- >> what's the o stand for? >> organization. >> reo is a common term meaning real estate organization, but carson leaned into his mishap tweeting afterwards that he was enjoying some post half hearing snaks and sending agency package of oreo cookies to representative porter. oreo's official twitter account got in on it and saying oreo stands for really excellent oreo cookee >> a slip of the tongue. >> it laps sometimes >> some bad news on the horizon for some finance world war iers. one in five finance jobs will be lost to automation over the neck decade that's according to a new forecast for a consultantsy firm it predicts that over 400,000 positions will be eliminate bid 2030 as computer efficiency improves you know, people have to know this is coming there are already different program to make trade in different things clearly not a shot >> that story

so i suspect when katy porter was an expert in this area things were very different.taff that deals with these so they can bring her up to date. maybe she would then be able to understand what is going on. >> i think they were having a go at you, mr. secretary. also at the hearing yesterdayer accused of favoring americans over illegals in public housing. i just want the audience to see this. roll that tape please. >> the d in hud does not stand for deportation. i'm afraid that a recent proposal of yours will bring nothing but despair. i find it despicable, this is a horrible plan. you will rip apart families and be throwing children on to the street. what is your plan to take care of them? >> if you read the rule carefully you will see that it provides a six-month deferral on request if they have not found another place to live. and that can be renewed two times for a total of 18 month, which is plenty of time for congress to engage in comprehensive immigration reform. stuart: again, mr. secretary, your response? >> well, you know, we have obligation to follow the law

. >> ben carson meets katie porter. >> do you know what an reo is? >> or? >> not oreo. reo. what does the r stand for? >> good evening in new york. the dam is breaking. last november house democrats took power in a wave election promising to hold the president to account. so far they have showed tremendous patience, restraint, and some might say fear of a high stakes impeachment battle. in spite of everything publicly known about the president for years and the damning confrontation in the mueller report. now we reached a point in which the president's policy of complete and total stonewalling of congress seems untenable for democrats. this is not just a policy of trump preventing don mcgahn from testifying about possible presidential obstruction before congress. today the white house didn't even send someone from the epa to testify on the effects of toxic mercury air pollution. even the most basic, noncontroversial points of oversight are stonewall and stiff armed. the trump white house has yet to provide a single document to congress pursuant to their request. it's may. no

moments ago, i spoke with democratic congressman katy porter.on whether considering how the gop-led senate will vote should play into the impeachment equation. >> impeachment isn't a conviction. impeachment in the house is a decision that there is enough evidence that we should send the situation forward to the united states senate, which is the body that will conduct a trial and do additional fact finding and determination. the house's job here is to reach a different evidentiary threshold than the senate. >> and this morning, a top member of the judiciary committee, where impeachment begins, said they are quickly headed toward opening an impeachment inquiry. >> i think it's a watershed moment. for weeks, speaker pelosi has said this needs to be bipartisan if it's going to move forward, just from the practical perspective of impeachment moving forward. i think justin amash coming on board means that there is now bipartisan support for really understanding the seriousness of what is in the mueller report. >> meanwhile, two top house republicans

let's take a look at what katie porter out in california. >> i have to say the refusal to comply withas a real turning point. the time is nigh. >> we have nothing to lose and i think opening impeachment inquiry will help us get that information. to your point, i think it will help educate the american public. i notified the speaker's office today that i now asking that we open inquiry. >> bernie sanders in nevada saying that he agrees with pelosi that the president is sort of encouraging this but also saying that he thinks that it may become inevitable. >> i think the issue now is democrats on the hill are incredibly frustrated about the obstruction of subpoenas and also the robert mueller testimony or appearance did add a lot of fuel to the fire. it made clear that barr was misleading the american people. what's happening is a lot of democrats wants to see what happens with robert mueller. what i interpreted seeker pelosi saying yesterday is it's going to be an ironclad case that's needed to be made here which means they want the american public to see the report in live form meaning

. >> ben carson meets katie porter. >> do you know what an reo is? >> or? >> not oreo. reo.

a video of congressmember katie porter questioning carson went viral after the secretary mistakenly thought she was asking about oreo cookies. >> also would like you to get back to me if you don't mind to explain the disparity in reo rates. >> an oreo? >> ann r.e.o. >> real esestate? >> what t does the e stand for? real estate ownened. thatat is what we call it ,an r.e.o. amy: secretary carson sent a family-size box of double stuf oreos to congressmember porter's office after the clip from his hearing went viral. porter responded to the gift by telling a reporter, "what i'm really looking for is answers." the republican-controlled senate confirmed daniel collins to a lifetime seat on the 9th circuit court of appeals tuesday. collins has defended big oil companies like shell and occidental petroleum against communities impacted by fossil fuel extraction and the effects of climate change. he has also refused to say whether the landmark brown vs. board of education ruling was correctly decided and has filed briefs supporting the restriction of access to contraceptives through health insurance.

i think that will be another push point for house speaker nancy pelosi if members like katie porter doupport of this. >> thanks for that. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. andrea mitchell reports starts right now. >>> happy friday to you. right now, flying blind. business leaders and even some white house staff in shock today as president trump threatens steep new tariffs on mexico using trade as a weapon to try to pressure mexico to stop illegal migration. >> our biggest imports from mexico, it's not hard to figure out. auto parts, truck, buses and cars. that means higher prices for u.s. consumers at a time when the average car loan is already seven years long. >>> cooler heads. nancy pelosi tries to tone done the heated rhetoric following robert mueller breaking his silence. >> there's a school of thought that says if the senate acquits you, why bring up charges against him in the private sector when he's no longer president. when we go through with our case, it's got to be ironclad. ironclad.

california freshman democrat katie porter was asking ben carson, housing and urban development secretarywned properties that fail to sell at foreclosure or auctions, known by acronym reo. carson either misheard or seemed to have no idea what the acronym actually meant and what porter was referring to. take a look. >> why is fha -- to use a term i think we can both understand -- lousy and servicing mortgages. >> okay. i have not had any discussions about that particular issue, but i will look it up and find out what's going on. >> as you look it up, i'd also like you to get back to me if you don't mind to explain the disparity in reo rates. do you know what an reo is? >> an oreo? >> not an oreo. an r enchtszo. reo. >> real estate. >> what's o stand for. >> organization. >> owned. real estate owned. that's what happens when a property goes to foreclosure. fha loans have higher reos, they go to foreclosure rather than loss mitigation than comparable learns at the gses. >> so that actually happened. joining me cnn senior political analyst david ger ginn and chief political analyst gloria bor

i yield to the good lady from the great state of california, katie porter. ms. porter: this will weekend, college students around the country will across the graduation stage and accept their diplomas. it will be a weekend of well deserved celebration, their hard work and years of study paid off. they will soon face the reality of paying the high price of their diplomas. too many of these students will soon come face-to-face of a mountain of debt, often decades to pay. today 43 million americans, that's one in six adults have federal student loan debt. the federal student loan ortfolio has risen to $1.4 trillion. tomorrow's graduates will face $30,000 in debt, a crippling amount for any young person to shoulder before they enter the work force. that amount of debt increases every single year. how can we expect young people in this country to choose the course of their careers, to contribute to their communities and plan and start their families while at the same time allowing lenders to saddle them with loan burdens? among borrowers of all ages, the median self-r

carson said he's sending freshman congresswoman katie porter a package of oreos after he appeared towith the acronym of reo, real estate properties. >> i'd also like you to get back to me if you don't mind to explain the disparity in reo rates. do you know what reo is? >> oreo? >> not an oreo. reo. >> real estate? >> carson is also facing criticism for his response to another congresswoman over public housing. new york democrat nadya velasquez described carson's budget as, quote, shameful and immoral saying it didn't include enough money to address the nation's housing crisis. carson told her, we have to use our brains and think logically rather than just emotionally. >>> the tension between the u.s. and russia now extends to an incident in the sky off the coast of alaska. american fighter jets intercepted russian war planes. as martha raddatz reports, both sides agree this happened in international air space. >> reporter: it is the first time russian aircraft have come near alaska since january. four russian bombers and two fighter planes intercepted by american war planes. usf 22s

>> reporter: yeah, well, this was a question that was raised by congresswoman katy porter. she's a former law professor. she asked carson, who's the secretary of housing and urban development, about things that are referred to as reos. these are acronyms for real estate owned, which is how you describe a property that's gone into foreclosure and reverted back to the lender. the secretary of housing apparently misunderstood the question. listen. >> i'd also like you to get back to me, if you don't mind, to explain the disparity in reo rates. do you know what reaso is? >> an oreo? >> no, not an oreo. an reo. >> real estate -- >> what's the "o" stand for? >> organization. >> real estate owned. that's what happens when a property goes to foreclosure. we call it an reo. >> reporter: on twitter, the secretary later made fun of that exchange. of course, it's also important to point out that he is trained as a surgeon. nonetheless, the secretary of housing and the congresswoman said she wanted a serious answer to a serious question, which she never got. john? >> yeah, secretary try

[applause] representative katie porter is the first democrat to ever be elected from california's 45thdistrict. [applause] she also knows how to go viral, which we will get to in a moment. together they embody a new wave of women leadership sweeping our country and we are delighted they could join us today. i would like to start by asking both of you, as woman who recently been elected to congress, can you describe your impressions of washington dc? [inaudible] [inaudible speaking] to have a whole bunch of people instead of saying, why didn't you Ãto congress b [inaudible] [laughter] [inaudible speaking] [inaudible speaking] which is just to use your personal funds. i don't know what these personal funds are and what account they are in but if somebody could direct me there, i would be so grateful. [applause] i think that aspect of it, particularly for those of us who are single earners with families to support. in the first single mother to be elected in her own right to congress. [applause] i've been surprised by things like my everyday experiences are somehow fascinating simply beca

[applause] >> representative katie porter is the first democrat to ever be elected from california's 45th district. [applause] >> she also knows how to go viral, which we will get to in a moment. together they embody a new wave of women leadership sweeping our country, and we are delighted they could join us today. i would like to start by asking both of you, as woman who have been recently elected to congress, can you describe your impressions of washington, d.c.? what surprised you the most about congress? [inaudible] >> i didn't expect so many members of congress to reach out to me and asked me what kind of help i needed and support i needed. it was a really interesting experience to have just a whole bunch of people, instead of why did you run for congress, instead saying welcome. [indiscernible] [laughter] >> i think for me, one of the things that have been a surprise [indiscernible] i do work with a lot of women and people of color. i don't think they focus on class issues as much as they do now. [indiscernible] [indiscernible] >> i said i'm a single parent. [indiscernible] the

confusion on capitol hill tuesday led to an unusual exchange between ben carson and congresswoman katie porterkie. take a listen. >> i'd also like you to get bact to me explain the disparity in reo rates. do you know what an reo is? >> an >> no, not an oreo. an reo. >>eal estate. >> what's the "o" stand for? >> organization. >> owned. real estate owned. hethat's what happens w a property goes to foreclosure. we call it an reo. >> well, this all happened during a house financial services committee hearing. afterward, carson laughed off the exchange posting a photo of himselfolding a package of oreos on twitter. also telling representative rter that he was sending some cookies her way. >>> now a surprising discovery a nine monthsfter the death of music legend aretha franklin. an attorney says three handwrittenav wills he been encovered. they appear to pull back the curtain on her private life. could also touch off an estate battle. miguel almaguer has the details. >> good morning. the wills were found in hera detroit areome earlier this month all had written according to the estate's lawyer. tha

we have two panels today, the first composed of two of our colleagues, congresswoman katie porter, and congresswoman ms. mcmorris-rodgers. miss porter, if you would begin. >> chairman doggett, ranking member nunes, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for holding this hearing today. i am concerned about surprise billing is someone who is dedicated my life to protecting tumors. but also because i have had to fight my own battles with surprise billing. on august 3, when i was on the campaign trail, i started to feel pain in my abdomen. at 1 pm i could not continue and i went home. at 431 i texted my campaign manager that i needed to go to the emergency room because i cannot safely drive through the pain. member sitting on my front porch so if i lost consciousness somebody might find me and i would not be home alone. i did not call an ambulance because i was concerned about the cost. i could not drive and i asked my manager to please take me to hoag hospital. i chose that hospital even though it was further away from other providers because i knew oak hospital was in a network facil

capitol hill tuesday led to an unusual exchange between hud secretary ben carson and congresswoman katy porterh a popular nabisco cookie. take a listen. >> i would like you to get back rates. to me if you don't mind to rates. do you know what an reo is >> an oreo >> not an oreo reo. >> real estate >> what's the "o" stand for? we call it an reo. >> this happened drawings a committee hearing. afterward carson laughed off the exchange posting a photo of himself holding a package of oreos on twitter also telling representative porter that he was sending some cookies her way. >>> now to a surprising discovery nine months after the death of music legend aretha franklin an attorney says three handwritten wills have been uncovered and they appear to pull back the curtain on her private life and could touch off an estate battle nbc national correspondent miguel almaguer has the details. miguel, good morning. >> good morning. the wills were found in franklin's detroit area home earlier this month, all handwritten according to the estate's lawyer. they lay out how she wanted pieces of her musical legacy,

lender, with an oreo cookie here is the exchange between him and house democrat from california katie porter to me if you don't mind to explain the disparity in reo rates. do you know what an reo is >> an oreo >> no, not an oreo an reo r.e.o. >> real estate >> what's the o. stand for >> organization? >> american airlines will no longer charge passengers $150 to check sports equipment like bicycles, skis, or surfboards. the oversized baggage will now be covered by the regular $30 fee for checked luggage as long as the item weighs less than 50 pounds >>> and a new sesame street muppet is a foster child meet elmo's new friend karli the young muppet living with her foster parents dahlia and clem dahlia telling elmo sometimes parents need help caring for their children and she and clem are keeping karli safe until her mother can take care of her again she should debut soon on "sesame street." you are up to date that's the news update this hour guys, i'll send it back downtown to you >> sue, thanks very much for that still ahead here on "closing bell," shares of toll brothers we'll keep an eye on

congresswoman katie porter, congresswoman cathy mcmorris rodgers. mrs. porter, if you would begin. >> thank you for holding this hearing today. i am concerned about surprise billing as someone who's dedicated my life to protecting consumers. but also because i have had to fight my own battle with surprise billing. on august 3rd last year when i was on the campaign trail, i started to feel pain in my abdomen. at 1:00 p.m., i could not continue and i went home. at 4:31, i texted my campaign manager that i needed to go to the emergency room. i couldn't safely drive through the pain and i remember sitting on my front porch so if i lost consciousness, somebody might find me and i wouldn't be home alone. i didn't call an ambulance because i was concerned about the cost. i could not drive and i asked my manager to please take me to hoge hospital. i chose to hospital even though it was farther away from other providers because i knew hoge was an in-network facility. when i got to the hospital, i waited six hours alone in the emergency exam room without treatment.

katie porter, really good at questioning, had ben carson in front of her and here is what happened witht's the o stand for. . >> o organization. >> real estate organization. >> ben carson stated that he has learned the difference between an reo and an oreo organization. eventually the picture will come up. essentially ben carson who is the head of the department of housing and urban development who is supposed to know what an reo is did not. he later learned that an reo and an oreo are two different things. he thinks that helps him. he posed with an oreo and thinks it helps him in his pr situation. i am not convinced anybody can beat that, so i wanted to set the bar real high, and then i want you try to leap over that bar. >> i am attempting a leap, because who i think won the week, not only ben carson but also mnuchin. and that is iona presley. iona presley took out the two most incompetent. the only one she didn't take out was betsy devos. she basically got mnuchin to say, i hate black people, you're not getting me to change in 2020. he is not only incompetent, he is not only basicall

congresswoman cathy mcmorris rodgers and katie porter also talked about their personal experiences withse bills. watch that tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span3. also tonight on c-span, it's a hearing on the use of facial recognition technology by the government and commercial entities and its impact on civil rights and liberties. witnesses pointed out some of the flaws in the technology, like programs that could not accurately identify people of color and women. you can see that house oversight and reform committee hearing tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. here's a preview. >> and, again, my position is, if we are not going to regulate, we should push the pause button on this technology now, because it is as dangerous as you are expressing. >> seems to me, it's time for a time-out. time-out. 50 million cameras, real concerns. i guess what troubles me too is just the fact that no one in an elected position made a decision on the fact -- these 18 states -- i think the chairman said this is more than half the population of the country. that is scary. particularly in light of what