joining us is chief technical strategist katie stockton. you point out that gold has crossed an important level, now above the average. we haven't seen that for months. >> that's true. that's that is a psychological hurdle on the chart and also near its october high. immediate positive follow through. that immediate follow through is what differentiates this relief rally with previous ones. we have seen a breakout. it is very much a technically driven move at this point, and i looked at past days of 5% updays for gold, and they were always during bear markets and the s&p 500. it is very rare to see such a big move in gold. and i do think it is significant. >> at the same time, it seems like you're a little skeptical, you're saying that gold needs to close, what, above 1200, two consecutive weeks. if it does that, what is the next level that we could be looking for? >> breakout easily targets about 1350 with intermediate time frame which would be about several months for me. so that consecutive weekly closing basis, that's what i like to see